page it seems not satisfying Wikipedia's guidelines
Hi, I have created a page for an IPS officer named Manoj Abraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manoj_Abraham, but later I have received a message from Wiki stating "Hello, Trishna2017, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Manoj Abraham, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained" , I need someone could help me making this edits perfect
talk) 08:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Trishna2017: in the case of
Manoj Abraham, I don't think the problem is with the article itself, it's with the choice of subject. It seems that Mr. Abraham simply isn't
notable, in the way that word is used here. Even a "perfect" article about him would be rejected.
No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability.
talk) 10:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
edit conflict) Hello,
Trishna2017. The short answer is that Wikipedia articles, especially articles on living people, must be 100% based on reliable published sources, and mostly based on sources unconnected with the subject. In an article on a living person, every single factual claim should be cited to a published source. If you can find such sources, you can start writing the article - forget everything you know about the subject, and write from what the sources say. If it happens that there is not enough independent published material about the subject, then it will be impossible to create an acceptable article, however it is written: the Wikipedia jargon for this case is that the subject is not then
notable. Please read
Your first article and
biographies of living persons. --
talk) 10:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Trishna2017, Hello and welcome to Teahouse. I looked your article, it is a biography article but does not cite reliable sources that prove your content right, we say a topic is not notable if it has no reliable sources. Articles topics must be notable, please read
Wikipedia:Biography of a living person to get idea about notable objects and instructions to create an article about a person. You should
cite at least three sources from different
reliable sources to prove notability of your article. Please ask any other question!
talk) 11:08, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- I have done some cleanup on the article. There were a lot of external references in the body which should have been references, and so I have turned those into references. I also Googled and found additional sources. It seems this person may be notable. The article needs further work, though.
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talk) 12:35, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- I am a new comer here, and I am trying to follow Wiki guidelines, but its all news to me, I have seen photographs of people in their Wiki profile. Any chance if Wiki editors could do the same!? If we search in web we will get photos of the person
talk) 09:14, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Trishna2017, please don't do that, as almost every image you will find on the internet will be copyright, and so cannot be used in our articles. -
talk) 09:33, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Arjayay, I will not do, but in which way how we could select a photo, should we request photo directly from the person ?
talk) 09:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Trishna2017, you could do that, but they would have to upload it themselves, or complete the copyright release, which is slightly complicated. However, I wouldn't worry about the picture, until you are sure the article will not be deleted. -
talk) 09:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
in this section "In the area of cyber security, he is the man behind “c0c0n" - an international cyber security conference[not in citation given]" "not in citation given" its an annual police conference this time its going on in Cochin (18th and 19th of August 2017), the program details are given here http://is-ra.org/c0c0n/ , http://www.keralapolice.org/kerala-police/innovative-initiatives/cOcOn, previous talk in news channels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OEj7JKTmw4
talk) 11:47, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- I added the "not in citation given" tag, because although the citation supports the fact that c0c0n is an international cyber security conference, Manoj Abraham is not mentioned anywhere in the citations given in the article or above. (The news story in the Youtube link is in Malayalam which I unfortunately can't understand, but from what I can tell it is about the conference, not about Abraham's role in it.) If the conference website actually names Abraham as "the man behind" the conference, it is not very easy to find (and if the information is not supported by an independent source, it shouldn't be in the article). The same thing applies to the text about him being responsible for the "Cyber Dome " project - his name is not anywhere in the source. In addition, I don't think a local police project is really encyclopedic information, unless it has been written about in independent sources (as opposed to th Kerala Police website, which is a primary source). Hope this makes sense. --
talk 11:57, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Associated with Cyber Dome Kerala Police initiative his name is given in the Police website http://cyberdome.kerala.gov.in/contactus.html //The news story in the Youtube link is in Malayalam which I unfortunately can't understand// I shall try to submit supporting links here
talk) 12:20, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- From the cyberdome.kerala.gov.in website, Abraham is apparently one of the main officers on the project (not the chairman nor the person "behind" the project). Since there are no
secondary sources discussing his role or, indeed, any secondary sources at all discussing the Cyber Dome, it does not look like something that would normally be included in an encyclopedia article.
Wikipedia is not a CV and we don't want to cover every single thing a person has done in their career. --
talk 12:24, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
here, neither does it give the details nor does it qualify to be a citation.
talk 18:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
In the "Career" head and in the line "He worked for seven years as Commissioner of Police of Cochin and Thiruvananthapuram.[not in citation given]" here I have added proper citation for Commissioner of Police Thiruvananthapuram " http://tvmcity.keralapolice.gov.in/thiruvananthapuram-city-police/history/former-chiefs" any chance to remove the citation tag now?
For Cochin this link can be used as reference "http://www.kochicitypolice.org/commissioner.htm"
talk) 12:02, 21 August 2017 (UTC)