Wikipedia:Featured article candidates

This star, with one point broken, indicates that an article is a candidate on this page.

Here, we determine which articles are to be featured articles (FAs). FAs exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and satisfy the FA criteria. All editors are welcome to review nominations; please see the review FAQ.

Before nominating an article, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at peer review. Editors considering their first nomination, and any subsequent nomination before their first FA promotion, are strongly advised to significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make efforts to address objections promptly. An article should not be on Featured article candidates and Peer review or Good article nominations at the same time.

The FAC coordinators— Ian Rose and Sarastro1—determine the timing of the process for each nomination. For a nomination to be promoted to FA status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the coordinators determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the coordinators:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved;
  • consensus for promotion has not been reached;
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met; or
  • a nomination is unprepared, after at least one reviewer has suggested it be withdrawn.

It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support.

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An editor is allowed to be the sole nominator of only one article at a time; however, two nominations may be allowed if the editor is a co-nominator on at least one of them. If a nomination is archived, the nominator(s) should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating. None of the nominators may nominate or co-nominate any article for two weeks unless given leave to do so by a coordinator; if such an article is nominated without asking for leave, a coordinator will decide whether to remove it. Nominators whose nominations are archived with no (or minimal) feedback will be given exemptions.

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Nomination procedure

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  1. Before nominating an article, ensure that it meets all of the FA criteria and that peer reviews are closed and archived. The featured article toolbox (at right) can help you check some of the criteria.
  2. Place at the top of the talk page of the nominated article and save the page.
  3. From the FAC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link or the blue "leave comments" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FAC talk page for assistance.
  4. Below the preloaded title, complete the nomination page, sign with ~~~~, and save the page.
  5. Copy this text: (substituting Number), and edit this page (i.e., the page you are reading at the moment), pasting the template at the top of the list of candidates. Replace "name of ..." with the name of your nomination. This will transclude the nomination into this page. In the event that the title of the nomination page differs from this format, use the page's title instead.

Supporting and opposing

  • To respond to a nomination, click the "Edit" link to the right of the article nomination (not the "Edit this page" link for the whole FAC page). All editors are welcome to review nominations; see the review FAQ for an overview of the review process.
  • To support a nomination, write *'''Support''', followed by your reason(s), which should be based on a full reading of the text. If you have been a significant contributor to the article before its nomination, please indicate this. A reviewer who specializes in certain areas of the FA criteria should indicate whether the support is applicable to all of the criteria.
  • To oppose a nomination, write *'''Object''' or *'''Oppose''', followed by your reason(s). Each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed. If nothing can be done in principle to address the objection, the coordinators may ignore it. References on style and grammar do not always agree; if a contributor cites support for a certain style in a standard reference work or other authoritative source, reviewers should consider accepting it. Reviewers who object are strongly encouraged to return after a few days to check whether their objection has been addressed. To withdraw the objection, strike it out (with <s> ... </s>) rather than removing it. Alternatively, reviewers may transfer lengthy, resolved commentary to the FAC archive talk page, leaving a link in a note on the FAC archive.
  • To provide constructive input on a nomination without specifically supporting or objecting, write *'''Comment''' followed by your advice.
  • For ease of editing, a reviewer who enters lengthy commentary may want to create a neutral fourth-level subsection, named either ==== Review by EditorX ==== or ==== Comments by EditorX ==== (do not use third-level or higher section headers). Please do not create subsections for short statements of support or opposition—for these a simple *'''Support''',*'''Oppose''', or *'''Comment''' followed by your statement of opinion, is sufficient. Please do not use emboldened subheadings with semicolons, as these create accessibility problems.
  • If a nominator feels that an Oppose has been addressed, they should say so after the reviewer's signature rather than striking out or splitting up the reviewer's text. Per talk page guidelines, nominators should not cap, alter, strike, break up, or add graphics to comments from other editors; replies are added below the signature on the reviewer's commentary. If a nominator finds that an opposing reviewer is not returning to the nomination page to revisit improvements, this should be noted on the nomination page, with a diff to the reviewer's talk page showing the request to reconsider.

Nominations

1998 NFC Championship Game

Nominator(s): Helltopay-27 ( talk) 19:23, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Second attempt at a FA nomination, now with a new title. This article is about the championship game in 1998 NFL season to determine the NFC representative for the Super Bowl, a famous game in NFL lore due to the Falcons' upset victory. Helltopay-27 ( talk) 19:23, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Appian Way Productions

Nominator(s): FrB.TG ( talk) 15:48, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about Appian Way Productions founded by the actor-producer Leonardo DiCaprio in ca 2004. The company has produced a diverse slate of films. I tried hard to find about how the company was founded but did not find much to add, but other than that I believe the article is as comprehensive as it gets. Enjoy. – FrB.TG ( talk) 15:48, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Istiodactylus

Nominator(s): FunkMonk ( talk) 10:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

This is the first article about a pterosaur (or "pterodactyl") to ever be nominated for FAC. The group is often overshadowed by dinosaurs (or incorrectly assumed to be dinosaurs), so this article can hopefully serve as an example of how such an article can be written (modelled on the structure of dinosaur articles). I picked this particular genus due to the, for pterosaur standards, not too confusing literature, and the many nice, free available images. It is also an interesting animal in its own right, as it may have been an inland scavenger, whereas pterosaurs have traditionally been considered fish-eaters. FunkMonk ( talk) 10:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from N Oneemuss

I've never reviewed an article before, so if you disagree with my comments then you're probably right :). Also, I am a layman when it comes to palaentology, but I do agree that it would be nice to promote a pterosaur to featured article.

Lead
  • I don't think England needs to be linked in the lead (and if it should, then China probably should be too)
Removed. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Naso-antorbital" in the lead should probably be defined (I can't find an article to link it to, unfortunately)
Done. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Why is "razor-edged" in quotation marks? If it is a quote, where is it from?
Because it is kind of a subjective description, it has also been described in other ways (listed in the description section), but I just picked the most descriptive one. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Family and should be linked to its taxonomic meaning if genus is. Is "group" a scientific term too?
Linked family, group is just informal. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The reference to a "cookie cutter" seems quite informal to me
Yep, but it has been described like this by several writers, so it is an established way of describing it. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Is this article in British or American English? Correct me if I'm wrong, but "cookie cutter" seems American ("biscuit cutter" would be British), but your spelling of "palaeontology" is British
British. Most of the sources are by British scientists too, and they say "cookie cutter". FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Done. FunkMonk ( talk) 19:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Description
  • Some references are out of order (not just in this section), e.g. "The hindlimbs were short compared to the forelimbs, and the feet were as long as the small third finger.[2][1][4]"
  • "a quite large pterosaur" sounds a bit odd to me; how about "quite a large pterosaur"?
  • The first and last sentences of the first paragraph (and the first of the second paragraph) are very similar to sentences in the lead. I don't know enough about the Featured Article Criteria to know if this is a problem, but I would certainly change the very first sentence (which is copied almost word-for-word)
  • Why is "rediscovered" in quote marks? Also, the term suggests that there is more of a story behind this, which could be worth adding (perhaps as a note)
  • Pycnofibres is a redirect to pterosaur, so I think a definition in the article would be more useful
  • Giving inches to two decimal places seems excessive (how about "0.2–0.3 in"?)
  • Maybe mention what language "odontoid" means "pseudo-tooth" in
  • Is there a reason why "percent" is spelled out in the first paragraph and given as a symbol in the last?
  • All in all, this section seems very technical, but I suppose that is unavoidable with this sort of article
History of discovery
  • Again, there are some out-of-order references in this section (e.g. after the second sentence)
  • I think palaeontologist and geologist need links
  • "subsequently suggested" – do we know when?
  • I'm not sure how useful the mention of the Natural History Museum's previous name is, especially given as an abbreviation
  • I would personally link reverend
  • The link for Atherfield suggests that it is called Little Atherfield – do you know if this was different at the time?
  • "sacra" could use a link or definition (or both)
  • A couple of words explaining who Lyddeker was could be nice (same with Jenny A. Clack a bit later)
  • I've read the first two paragraphs of this section so far. EDIT: Am now back to reviewing.
  • Seeing as the previous mentions were all specific to the Early Cretaceous, Cretaceous could be linked here
  • Ischium should be linked too, I think
  • Could you clarify what "three-dimensionally preserved" means? How can something not be preserved in 3D?
  • Again, it might be useful to briefly note who Williston is
  • Who is Bennett? (I assume that he isn't any of the people on the disambiguation page Chris Bennett)
  • I think there's a mistake with the italics in "O." latidens (ignore if this is deliberate)
  • More information about the additional finds on the Isle of Wight could be useful (e.g. a date)
  • "the species name refers to the country" I think this needs clarifying, because the link between sinensis and China isn't immediately obvious
  • I had to read this sentence three times to properly understand it: "They found the holotype specimen, a partial skeleton, very similar to I. latidens, though it was much smaller, with a wingspan of 2.7 metres (8.9 ft), and more teeth." The use of commas makes it hard to see that they found two things: the holotype specimen (which was the partial skeleton), and teeth. I think splitting this into two sentence could be useful (e.g. "They found the holotype specimen, as well as more teeth. The specimen was a partial skeleton, very similar...")
  • Who is Jun-Chang (again, I think just calling him a "Chinese palaeontologist" or something similar could be useful)?
  • I'm not sure about the use of "figured" in the last paragraph; it seems to be quite an unusual meaning of the word, so maybe something like "represented in a diagram" would be better. Also, that sentence could be recast into active voice
Classification
  • I don't think "schools" needs to be in quotes; it's a common use of the term
  • Clade should probably be linked, as should taxa (and also maybe age, though that article is a bit useless)
  • I don't know much about cladograms, but why is Pterodactylus there? It is only distantly related to the article subject, and appears only once in the article
Palaeobiology
  • "herons, storks and skimmers" – this may be too obvious, but it might be worth mentioning that they are all birds
  • Is "mosaic" a technical term here? It sounds strange and out of place to me
  • "rostrum" could use a link
  • Two sentences in a row start with "scavenging birds" (how about starting the second one with "they"?)
  • The link to "aspect ratio" seems unhelpful; it's about geometry, so a definition or a different link is needed
  • Soaring birds is a redirect to a list with only two sentences of explanation; maybe a definition could be more helpful
  • The reference to Nurhachius confused me, seeing as it was mentioned only much earlier in the article. Also, I'm not certain of its relevance here (is this to do with the fact that this is another name for I. sinensis, or what?)
  • "The wings of istiodactylids...the wings of istiodactylids...the wing shape of istiodactylids" – repetitive paragraph
  • Maybe link appendages
  • Does freshwater really need a link?
  • If there had been suggestions about the feet being used for "climbing or suspension", then I think this could be mentioned elsewehere in the article (instead of just with reference to Witton's work)
Palaeoecology
  • I was meaning to look at this section later, but I just noted that "degrees" is mentioned on its own; I think it needs a unit (presumably Celsius) and a conversion
  • I might be wrong, but is it necessary to mention that the first specimen might have been collected from the Wessex Formation? Seeing as there are two options, then the statement is obviously true (and the evidence seems weak). Also, is this from the source, or your guess?
  • River system could be linked
  • The link to radius in the caption is about maths
  • The sentence about Hooley's specimens switches tenses, which seems a bit ugly; are the specimens still encrusted in pyrite?
  • I would definitely link semi-arid climate
  • "crocodilians" could be linked to Crocodilia (to be honest, it should probably be a redirect anyway)
  • Ignore this if I'm wrong (which is likely), but I'm not sure about how useful this section's second paragraph is. It is as if an article about walruses listed twenty animals and plants that live in the same environment as they do. Also, why is the entire second paragraph about the Wessex Formation (surely there is information from other sites, like the Vectis Formation, where members of the genus have been found)? If this is standard for palaeontology articles, then ignore me.


Overall, this article seems very good to me so far. As a first-time reviewer, I don't feel qualified to support or oppose, but I think that all of my comments are fairly minor. Again, feel free to use your judgement and ignore comments that you don't agree with. More to follow (within the next few hours). N Oneemuss ( talk) 11:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, layman reviews are always more than welcome! Most readers will be laymen anyway. I'll start fixing issues later. FunkMonk ( talk) 12:08, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
I've read through the whole thing now, and I must say that you have done an excellent job on this article. None of my issues are particularly important, to be honest. N Oneemuss ( talk) 14:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Unlocked (Alexandra Stan album)

Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak ( talk) 20:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about the second studio album by Romanian singer Alexandra Stan. It was released following an alleged physical altercation with her former manager Marcel Prodan, thus lyrically delving on themes such as freedom, liberation and rediscovery. Commercially, Unlocked experienced success on Japanese charts.

Comments from Aoba47

Resolved comments from Aoba47
  • I would suggest splitting the second paragraph of the "Promotion and commercial performance" section as it is rather long. Maybe doing a new paragraph starting with the information on the fourth single?
  • I would suggest renaming the "Reception and composition" section to the "Composition and reception" section as the information on the album's composition comes before the information on the album's critical reception.
  • Do you think an audio sample in the "Composition and reception" section would be beneficial for the reader?

Wonderful work with this article. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Good luck with getting this promoted this time around. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@ Aoba47: I done all your suggestions. Thank you VERY much for your time. Best, Cartoon network freak ( talk) 05:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for addressing my comments. You have done wonderful work with this, and I am happy that you kept working on this article and put it back up for FAC. I will support this nomination. Have a wonderful rest of your day. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Grevillea juniperina

Nominator(s): Melburnian ( talk · contribs) & Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 00:52, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about a nice plant I grow in my garden. Melburnian have buffed it up over the years. Have at it. Cheers, Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 00:52, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • File:Grevillea_juniperina.JPG is tagged as lacking description. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:31, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
now fixed-- Melburnian ( talk) 02:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Marjorie Cameron

Nominator(s): Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

This GA-rated article is about an American artist, actor, and occultist who was active in and around California in the period of the Beat Generation and the subsequent 60s counterculture. Cameron was a follower of the British occultist Aleister Crowley, the wife of the rocket scientist Jack Parsons, and a good friend of underground film-maker Kenneth Anger. She was involved in an array of sex magic rituals, experimented widely with hallucinogenic drugs, and made a wide range of apocalyptic predictions involving UFOs, comets, and Mexico conquering the US. The article is not particularly long but is (IMO) about a very interesting character, so if it tickles your fancy, please do give it a read and offer some comments. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods, and those that are should
  • Good point. I have removed the one instance where this appears. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 19:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Crowley_unicursal_hexagram.svg is probably not simple enough not to qualify for copyright. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Nikkimaria! Midnightblueowl ( talk) 19:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Astronomica (Manilius)

Nominator(s): Gen. Quon (Talk) 14:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

This article focuses on the titular work, a Latin hexameter didactic poem probably written by the Roman poet Marcus Manilius during the reign of Caesar Augustus or Tiberius. The five-book work describes celestial phenomena, explaining the zodiac and astrology. The poem—which seems to have been inspired by Lucretius's Epicurean poem, De rerum natura—espouses a Stoic, deterministic understanding of a universe overseen by a god and governed by reason. The work is of note for a number of reasons. First, it is seen as an answer to Lucretius's aforementioned poem. Second, it is an important window into Roman views on astrology and Stoicism. Third, it very barely made it to the present day, as only three manuscripts preserved the poem in the Middle Ages. Finally, it's style is rather heady and peculiar—it has been described (rather hilariously, might I add) as "like a trigonometry texbook rendered as a Saturday New York Times crossword." Currently, it is a good article (the very thorough review can be accessed here). It has also undergone two extensive peer-reviews: one in June of 2016, and the other in twice by two extremely competent editors. Due to the rigor of its sources, the quality of the text, and its layout, I believe that it is ready for the next stage.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 14:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments by edwininlondon

At glance this looks good. I'm looking forward to reviewing it thoroughly. But already I can see excessive use of parentheses. More later. Edwininlondon ( talk) 08:59, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and collapsed many of the parenthetical line citations down into reference tags. Hopefully that clears up some of the parentheses clutter.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 21:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • File:Statue-Augustus.jpg should include an explicit copyright tag for the original work
    I'm not sure how to do that, or what tag I'd need to add. doesn't apply since it's not a reproduction of a photograph. Do you have a suggestion?-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
    You can simply add an applicable tag (eg. {{ PD-1923}}) above the existing tag, and label each "Sculpture"/"Photo" as applicable. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
    How is this?-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
    Looks fine. Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:03, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:TiberiusLouvre.jpg needs a US PD tag and an author date of death
    Fixed.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 16:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Gianfrancesco_Poggio_Bracciolini_-_Imagines_philologorum.jpg is tagged as lacking author info and needs a US PD tag
    Done and done.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 16:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Zodiac_woodcut.png: source link is dead. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:17, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
    I replaced it with a new one that I whipped up. I know the source and year of this (1533), and I have added this info to the Commons page.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 20:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll look at this closer as from a glance and your nom statement it seems very interesting, but you are using ibid in the sources section - not practical on a wiki where things can be moved about quite frequently. Ceoil ( talk) 15:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to the very end section? If so, I have removed the author masks.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Comments from JM

I am excited to see this here.

  • I think listing the affiliations of the scholars you are mentioning is a bad idea; they have a tendency to go out-of-date, as academics move around. I note that you listed Victoria Moul as a "lecturer" (roughly: assistant professor) when she's actually a senior lecturer (roughly: associate professor)- this is perhaps an example!
    • Here are the particular examples I noticed: "University of Toronto Classics professor Alison Keith", "King's College London classicist Victoria Moul", and "G. Goold, a Classics professor at University College" (note also the dablink).
  • To parrot something I learnt at a previous FAC and have now internalised... False titles are sometimes considered non-standard, so you may want to consider changing them.
    • Here are the examples I noticed: "University of Toronto Classics professor Alison Keith", "King's College London classicist Victoria Moul", "classicist Katharina Volk", "Nineteenth-century classicist Fridericus Jacobs and historian Paul Monceaux", "classicist Steven Green", "classicist G. P. Goold" and "Italian humanist Lorenzo Bonincontri".
I have either removed the titles (for most of the scholars, since the refs will lead a potential reader to their books, wherein it can be discovered that they are indeed classicists etc.) and added "the" in front of other 'titles' to imply that they are not titles, just adjectival phrases.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • In the first footnote, you refer to Volk by surname only before she has been introduced. I think the best move would be to introduce her in both the footnote and the prose.
Fixed.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "didactic poems [e.g. De natura rerum and Astronomica) ... were often regarded as (some kind of) epic poetry" Could you check the brackets?
Whoops! Fixed.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "This article will use the term "didactic poem" where necessary, following Volk's assertion that "in histories of Latin literature, Manilius is typically treated under the rubric of didactic poetry"." Two things: this is a self reference, I'm not sure I like "assertion" (it strikes me as a little judgemental). Perhaps this could be moved to the start of the footnote? "Though, as explained by [intro] Volk, "in histories of Latin literature, Manilius is typically treated under the rubric of didactic poetry",[ref] there has been much debates as to whether the Astronomica should be categorized as an " epic poem" or as a " didactic poem".[ref]" Just a thought.
Good points all around. How does this look?-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "(implying an Augustinian date), the second claims that Capricorn is the Emperor’s natal sign (implying this book was written under Augustus), and the fourth describes Libra as the natal sign of the leader (implying that this book was written under Tiberius)" This is perhaps my problem rather than yours, but these don't strictly imply those things, they suggest, indicate or perhaps implicate them.
I changed all instances of "imply" to other things; this also varies the prose so there isn't the same word repeated three times.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Manilius digresses about the" Can one digress about something?
I think so? I did a quick Google Book search and it looks like it's a common enough phrase in published media.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Are G. Goold and G. P. Goold the same person? You spell out his name several times.
They indeed are. I have tried to standardize the name and cut out redundant instances of it appearing in full.-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Generally very strong. Please double-check my edits! Josh Milburn ( talk) 17:40, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@ these edits are suitable?-- Gen. Quon (Talk) 13:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Final Destination 3

Nominator(s): PanagiotisZois ( talk) 23:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about Final Destination 3, the third installment in the popular horror movie franchise. Released in 2006, it sees James Wong and Glen Morgan return as writers after having been absent during the second movie. Interestingly, unlike its predecessor, which was a direct sequel to the first film, FD3 was always intented to be a stand-alone sequel. The film focuses on Wendy Christensen as the film's visionary, played by Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Having foreseen the derailment of the Devil's Flight roller coaster, she manages to save some of her friends and realzes the pictures she took during the fair contain clues about their impending doom. (They never learn do they?)

I got the article to GA-status back in March and had it copyedited in April. Since then I've made a few changed / additions and fixed all of the references, ensuring that there are no duplicates and all of them contain their archive links; among other things. After all of that work I believe the article has finally reached the point where it meets the FA criteria. I look forward to people's feedback on further improving the article. PanagiotisZois ( talk) 23:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Resolved comments
  • @ PanagiotisZois: Just wanted to let you know that you are only allowed to have one FAC open at a time. Aoba47 ( talk) 03:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • @ Aoba47: But Aoba, I only have one FAC open xD. OK, I wasn't aware of this rule. I'll make sure to remember it for the future. PanagiotisZois ( talk) 10:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your note. When I posted my comment, your Boogeyman 2 FAC was still open so that is why I put this up. Good luck with this nomination. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Comments from Aoba47
  • I am not sure if the quotes from the critics are really that necessary in the last paragraph of the lead. It may be better to condense this information into a paraphrased sentence, and keep these quotes in the "Reception" section.
  •  Done I tried fixing it. I hope its satisfactory. The main problem is that as I said during the GAN, the movie was praised / criticized for pretty much the same things; with reviewers simply having different opinions.
  • I do not think you need the references for the "losing control" sentence in the lead as the references and information should already be found in the body of the article. Same goes for the sentence on the "interactive movie" in the lead.
  • In the sentence "The film was a financial success, the highest-grossing film in the franchise when it was released.", I would suggest revising to avoid the repetition of the word "film" twice in close proximity.
  •  Done
  • In the following sentences (Like the previous two installments, Final Destination 3 was filmed in Vancouver. Filming took place during a three-month period, during which, the first month was spent entirely on filming the roller coaster's derailment.), the word "filming" and variations are used three times in close proximity. Perhaps, revise this to avoid repetition?
  •  Done Though the word is still repeated twice.
  • For this sentence (According to Morgan, for Erin's death at the hardware store, he searched the aisles of a local store at Sunset Boulevard for days to get inspiration.) in the body of the article, it may be more beneficial to incorporate this into another paragraph as the one-sentence paragraph is rather awkward.
  •  Done As it refers to how Morgan was inspired for Erin's death, I included it with the paragraph that also discusses story concepts for the film.
  • Please use Wong's full name in the body of the article upon his first reference and link him.
  •  Done I also linked Morgan as well.
  • It may be helpful to add a topic sentence to the second and third paragraphs of the "Critical response" subsection.

Wonderful work with this article. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Good luck with getting this promoted. Aoba47 ( talk) 00:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

The Getaway (1972 film)

Nominator(s): Blue sphere 05:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is The Getaway, a crime movie which is about two lovers (and ruthless outlaws) on the run; a classic film! I am nominating this for the FA status because, having just passed the GA status fairly recently and copy edited from one of the experts at GOCE, I believe the article is now comprehensive, complete, free from grammar issues, and what I believe should be an interesting read for people who are curious to know about the movie. This is my first FA nomination so hopefully everything goes well. Any comments from regulars here will truly be appreciated, so have at it! Blue sphere 05:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47
  • I am not certain if the screenshot in the "Critical reception" subsection is really that necessary. Only one reviewer made note of this scene so using an image that emphasize it may qualify as giving that review undue weight in comparison to the others in the same subsection. Also, the reviewer that discussed the scene seems to have referenced it more as a part of a joke than actual commentary/criticism. Fixed
  • In the same subsection, you start off with "During its premiere, The Getaway got a negative reception from critics", but the second paragraph contains positive reviews of the film. Would it be more fair to say that it received a "mixed" reception, or are you trying to say that the film received more positive attention during retrospective reviews? This needs to be clarified. Fixed
  • I am not certain about the placement of the images in the "Cast" section as it awkwardly cuts between multiple sections. Maybe it would be better to relocate this to the "Development" subsection or the "Casting" subsection instead. Fixed
  • When you include the name of another film (i.e. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Last Picture Show, Junior Bonner, What's Up, Doc?, etc.), make sure to include the year in which it was released. A majority of these titles appear in the "Development" subsection and the "Casting" subsection. Fixed
  • Please specify what you mean by "$30,000 ($171,800 today)". I am assuming you are talking about the adjustments according to inflation, but this should be specified. Fixed

Wonderful work with this article. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@ Aoba47: Thanks for responding to this nomination early. I believe I've addressed these concerns you raised. How do you reckon it looks now? Blue sphere 10:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for addressing my comments. I support this nomination. Great work with the article. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on my current FAC? I understand if you do not have the time or energy to look at it though; hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Good luck with this nomination. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Qatna

Nominator(s): Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 02:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about an ancient city in modern Syria named Qatna which, for a period of 400 years, was in control of half of Syria. The city's palace and royal grave presented us with magnificent artifacts that shed light on the extensive human contact in 1600 BC as they included pieces made with materials imported from as far as modern Sweden. Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 02:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Brief comments: I hope that I can kickstart this review and get other reviewers interested in providing more detailed comments, because it is, in my view, an important and interesting article, well worth the time. These opening, minor points relate to the lead which is the only part of the text I've read in detail:

  • "By the 15th century BC, Qatna lost its hegemony and came under the authority of Mitanni, then changing hands between the former and Egypt until being conquered by the Hittites in the 14th century BC" – this reads rather clumsily and needs rewriting for grammar and clarity, probably as two sentences.
  • "Following its destruction, the city was abandoned." You've said that the Hittites "conquered" it, but not that they "destroyed" it. Did they? I see references to subsequent destructions and re-occupations, which suggests numerous rebuilds, though these are not mentioned. A little clarification would help.
  • "The artifacts of Qatna show high-quality workmanship, while its religion was complex and based on many cults in which ancestor worship played an important role." What follows "while" is a non-sequitur, having nothing to do with the earlier statement, so the serntence needs reconsideration.

I hope to return later – I'm certainly looking forward to reading more of this fascinating history. Brianboulton ( talk) 15:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your review, I edited the lede, hope it looks good now.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 23:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • Suggest scaling up the non-lead maps
  • File:Qatna's_landmarks.png: what is the source of the data presented in this image? Same with File:Third_Mari.png
  • File:Qatna_chronology.jpg: why have this as an image rather than a table?
  • File:Sitting_god_Qatna_Louvre_AO3992.jpg should include an explicit tag for the original work. Same with File:Louvres-antiquites-moyen-orient-p1020197.jpg, File:Antakya_Arkeoloji_Muzesi_1250344_nevit.jpg, File:Sphinx_dedicated_to_Ita_daugther_of_Amenemhat_II-AO_13075-IMG_1030-white.jpg. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I will work on your comments asap. Note:File:Qatna's_landmarks.png already have a source.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 05:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Nikkimaria, File:Qatna_chronology.jpg is more suitable. A table will take more space and increase the size of the article. About the other pictures, Is it okay now?-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 12:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from FunkMonk

  • Hi, I'll soon review this article. FunkMonk ( talk) 20:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • At first glance "Known kings of Qatna are:" could need a citation.
  • You should provide conversions for all meau~srements.
  • " at least 80 rooms", "at least twenty rooms". Be consistent in whether you write numbers with letters or not.
  • "5 meters" Be consistent in whether you say m or meters.
  • "and remains of both sexes and different ages" I would add "people" or "bodies" somewhere in the sentence.
  • "reaching 18 m tall and 60 to 90 m wide" I would say "in height" and "in width".
  • "Investigations of Qatna's fortifications were not carried hindering the" Carried out?
Done. Thanks for those comments, waiting for more.-- Attar-Aram syria ( talk) 05:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "perhaps the center of a king of prince" Or?
  • "that was used for ideological reasons as it was meant to echo Gilgamesh's deeds" Interesting, how is this known?
  • "son Yasmah-Adad to lead them leadership" Seems something is wrong here.
  • "but Mari sources are silent" Mariote?
  • "for his relations which Mari were never hostile." Since/because/as instead of for?
  • "Mari, who was at war with Eshnunna" Which was at war? "Who" would indicate a person.
  • "participation of Yamhad, who was hegemonic" Which was.

Fort Vancouver Centennial half dollar

Nominator(s): Wehwalt ( talk) 12:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about... one of the rarer half dollars in the series, which was authorized almost by chance. It did give another opportunity for the only woman to design more than one classic commemorative coin, Laura Gardin Fraser, the first woman to design a coin (some years earlier) to display her skill. Enjoy. Wehwalt ( talk) 12:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Jacob Gens

Nominator(s): Ealdgyth - Talk 17:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC) and User:Renata3

This article is about... semi-controversial figure from the Holocaust. Gens was the head of the Jewish ghetto in Vilnius who was put in place by the Germans. He is controversial because he believed that by cooperating with the Germans, some Jews could be saved. In the end, he was shot and the ghetto was liquidated. The article is as complete as I could make it, and I've tried to present all views about his activities. Renata's a co-nom because they were incredibly helpful with finding some information and helping to improve the content and other maters. Its had a copy-edit by John, and I hope it's ready for FA status. It's been a while since I've nominated anything, but I should have more nominations coming soon. This article is certainly a change from my usual subjects, but it's also an important subject that needs careful work to ensure balanced coverage. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Wehwalt

I looked for the horses and bishops but didn't see them. A few comments.

  • I might suggest moving his controversial role in the ghetto to the lede paragraph. It's what he's known for.
  • You are not consistent in your italicization of Judenrat. Or Aktion.
  • Judenrat is consistently not italicized (it generally isn't in the sources). I've made Aktion always italicized. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Possibly a little more could be said to the effect he was born in the Russian Empire and after WWI, Lithuania was independent.
  • I've added explanatory footnotes. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "After the formation of the Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic, Gens was fired from his job." I might toss a "in 1940" after "Republic".
  • Done (and of course, had to add a source for that since the previous source for that phrase didn't have a date...) Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • " Gens was not on the official payroll, which spared him from deportation from the city." Was the rest of the health department deported then? This is a bit opaque.
  • Probably because the sources are opaque. It's not clear in the sources what happened - they just mention that he wasn't deported because he wasn't on the payroll. I will try to double-check Arad's Ghetto in Flames, but it may or may not have further details. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Have clarified at bit - it was Gens who was in trouble, not the health department. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "After their arrival, Gens remained in charge of the Jewish hospital." the last we heard of him, he had an unregistered job with the health department. Was this it?
  • It isn't clear if there is a job missing in the record or if the job with the health department was in the hospital. Again, I suspect our sources are reconstructing events after the fact from second-hand sources, so there is probably some confusion. The liklyhood of any records from either the hospital or health department surviving are vanishingly slim, given the confusion of the times and the destruction that came later. That is unfortunate, of course, but does tend to make things a bit... confused. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Further research shows that Beinfield is out of synch with the other sources, which state that Gens was appointed to head of the hospital after the Germans arrived, so have changed accordingly. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure you need a hyphen in "Revisitionist-Zionist"
  • Arad (the source here) used one, but have removed. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "The smaller ghetto was liquidated " I might more explicitly say what happened to the residents.
  • Added explanatory footnote. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • " the ghetto's rabbis, who argued " I might use "ruled". They would have been regarded as the final authority on Jewish law, ordinarily.
  • Dawidowicz says that "the rabbis sent a delegation to tell him [Gens] that he was contravening Jewish law. To support their position, they cited Maimonides. Gens, who knew little, if anything, of Jewish law, responded that it was justifiable to surrender a part if the others would thereby be saved." I can't quite see this as supporting "ruled". Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I suspect if we argue about this, we'll wind up chasing our own tails. I have no doubt they intended a ruling as to halachah (after all, they wanted him to stop), but will let it go.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Gens was afraid that the actions of the Germans would result in a widespread massacre." Maybe "Gens was afraid the Germans would kill all of the Jews in the ghetto, and sought to save some at the price of others" if the source will justify.
  • Source says "German and Lithuanian united invaded then unexpectedly the ghetto and Gens feared that the snatching of people in the streets would end in a general massacre." Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • He persuaded the Gestapo man in charge of the roundup to let the Jewish police gather together the deportees during the late-1941 deportations" Possibly "He persuaded the Gestapo officer in charge of the late-1941 roundup to let the Jewish police secure the deportees" or similar. I'm trying to avoid the near-repetition.
  • Changed to ".... roundup to let the Jewish police gather together the deportees during the late-1941 Aktions." which does get rid of one deportation. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "In an Aktion on 3–5 November, where the entire ghetto was checked against their paperwork," Possibly "During the Aktion on 3–5 November, in which the paperwork of everyone in the ghetto was checked".
  • Took your wording. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "This incident took place under the supervision of German officials," I might say "gaze" rather than "supervision".
  • Arad says "scrutiny" so I'm trying to stick to the sense of his phrasing. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "The Germans backed Gens' efforts to secure more power, and implied that he was not responsible to the Judenrat, nor that the Judenrat had any power over Gens or the Jewish policemen." I might change "nor" to "and" and"any" to "no"
  • The Weisskopf anecdote seems a rather minor incident, an intramural squabble that in the grand scheme of things did not matter, since it does not appear anyone was deported or killed. The fact that Gens was in charge of selecting who is to live and who to die, raises the question of did he abuse the power
  • I could remove it, but it occurs in other sources, so they must think its important. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "He was allowed to enter and leave the ghetto at any time and his daughter was not required to live in the ghetto, even though other half-Jews were confined within the ghetto." I might change "within the ghetto" to "there", but also, I would either use or link to from "half-Jews", mischling.
  • I changed the half-Jew link to mischling, but left the other. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "From there they moved to West Germany as Jewish aliyah." Aliyah, when used to refer to a person outside the context of Jewish synagogue ritual, is usually in reference to immigration to Israel by a Jew. They would not have been regarded as Jewish, I suspect.
  • @ Renata3: - you added this bit, as I recall, can you address it? Ealdgyth - Talk 19:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • They stretched the definitions of "Jewish" and "Polish" to get the necessary papers to be allowed across the Iron Curtain. Did they meet the technical definition of "aliyah", I don't know, but that's how they got across the border. Renata ( talk) 19:32, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Can I ask, if you have it handy, for how the source refers to this? I'm just trying to figure a better phrasing. Aliyah is the single form of the noun anyway. The female plural is "aliyot" (I would not change it immediately).-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • All of the people in the Legacy section who comment on Gens seem favorably disposed to him. How then is it stated that his role was controversial?-- Wehwalt ( talk) 18:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll address this quickly and will work on the rest of these comments tomorrow. Gens himself is not singled out by historians as a particularly "bad" person, but the Judenrats as a whole are controversial. Raoul Hilberg, in particular, saw all the members of any Judenrat as collaborators and that they prevented active resistance to the Germans. Since Hilberg, there has been much more of a swing in historical thought to the fact that resistance came in other varieties than just armed uprisings (the only kind Hilberg recognized) and recognition of the fact that the Judenrat (as well as the Jews as a whole) didn't really have any choices, much less good choices. There has been a definite swing away from the idea that the Jews just passively acquised in their murder (or in Hoess' opinion, were just like sheep to a slaughterhouse). And the play that is about Vilnius, casts him in a rather negative light. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • To be clearer (and more concise), the role of member of the Judenrat or head of the Jewish police is considered controversial, thus why I wrote that in my nomination statement. There isn't nearly as much written specifically on Gens as an individual that sees him as controversial beyond the norm for the positions he held. He certainly is not considered as difficult as Chaim Rumkowski, but he's not nearly as "sainted" as Adam Czerniakow. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I might put in a little bit about how they in general have been regarded, then. As you point out, it is controversial. I'm not sure a play does it, after all, it's not a historical paper. If these favorable opinions of Gens are fruit of a reaction against a hard-line position, than I don't think it's a bad idea to mention what that position is.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • OKay, I think I've addressed all of these. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Just the points on legacy and aliyah,the rest looks good.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Look over the introductory bits I've added. I'll add that even the worst critics of the councils don't generally think Gens was as corrupt as Rumkowski. I'll leave the aliyah bit for a while longer, but if @ Renata3: doesn't have something within a reasonable time period, I'll just cut phrase, and leave in that they did go to West Germany. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:45, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I've read the source. Good enough.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll keep it watchlisted, but at this time I feel comfortable Supporting. Very interesting and well done.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 22:10, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Midnightblueowl

Very interesting article; thanks for bringing it this far. Just a few points. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • I'm surprised that the term "Ashkenazi" makes no appearance in this article. Do we have any sources that could be used to bring in Gens' ethnicity in the article? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • I've seen nothing that gives his ethnic background. It's pretty clear that he was not really a very religiously observant person nor that he came from an observant family, but that can only be inferred from the lack of information on he and the family doing religious things. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "His father was a merchant and Gens was the oldest of four sons. Gens attended a Russian-language primary school and then a secondary school in Šiauliai.[2]" I appreciate that both sentences are likely bolstered by the same source, but both sentences are saying quite different things and it can give the appearance that the first sentence is simply unreferenced. For that reason I would definitely duplicate that citation at the end of both sentences. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • I prefer to NOT do such, as it's frankly silly and we wouldn't do that in a scholarly publication. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "mood." and that" - best be rid of that full stop. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Well, I left it, but rephrased "Dr. N. Karni, who was a cadet with Gens, said that he "had great personal charm. I do not remember him ever being in a bad mood." Karni also felt Gens had "leadership qualities..." Ealdgyth - Talk 16:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "His participation in the" - the His could be read as a reference to Karni, rather than Gens, so I would change "His" to "Gens'" (and accordingly replace the later "Gens" to "his"). Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Fixed.
  • "He belonged to Brith ha-Hayal, an organization for military reservists" - perhaps "He belonged to Brith ha-Hayal, a Jewish organization for military reservists"? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Gens was fired from his job." - do we know why? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Not the exact reason, no. I'd assume that it was because he was a Lithuanian nationalist and army reservist, but it is never explicitly stated as such in the sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "The Germans entered Vilnius" - perhaps make it clear that this was the German Army. And perhaps add a bit more about this being part of World War 2. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Germans murdered" - semantic quibble on what is a very sensitive subject (so apologies upfront), but would "killed" be more appropriate here? "Murdered" implies a sense of illegality, and I'm not sure if this act was technically illegal under German law in this period? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Since many Germans were convicted for crimes against humanity after the war for their participation in the Holocaust, I'm pretty comfortable with "murdered" here (and elsewhere). The legal morass of whether German law was actually legally binding during Hitler's rule (especially those parts where Hitler simply ruled by decree or worse, did not issue a decree but still ordered something done) is bad enough, but then you get into the whole problem of that morass of legal issues being applied to conquered territory and the "laws of war". In general, most historians of the Holocaust have no problem with using "murdered" to refer to the killing of Jews (and others) during the Holocaust. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "for a Nazi-period ghetto" - this is the first time that the Nazis have been mentioned in any form, so perhaps it would be best to introduce them briefly beforehand, for instance when mentioning the German invasion. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • In general, I've followed recent historians of the Holocaust who generally use "Germans" rather than "Nazis" to refer to those people who were perpetrators of the Holocaust. Here, we're not referring to the period, but the time, so we can stick with "Nazi-era" or we can just go with "an unusual arrangement for a ghetto during World War II", which ever you prefer. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:01, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • More forthcoming (and ping me in a week if I've forgotten). Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • File:JewishGhettoPlaque_Vilnius_(cutted).JPG: since Lithuania doesn't have freedom of panorama, what is the copyright status of the plaque? Nikkimaria ( talk) 15:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
    • No clue, since I didn't take it. We can replace with File:Vilna1.jpg, but we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for the ghetto and pictures. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:04, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Naruto

Nominator(s): 1989 & Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about a Japanese manga series that focus on Naruto Uzumaki, a character who wishes for acknowledgement from the people in his hometown and to become their new leader. After the second nomination, Mike Christie has been a big help to his contribution to the article, making the article shorter and easier to read. From our part, we would like to have this article given a second chance on FAC this year, and hopefully it could pass. 1989 16:38, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47
  • I have a question about the "Original video animations" and the "Films" subsections. Would it be better to have this information represented in prose rather than a bulleted list? Also some aspects of the list feel a little incomplete to me (i.e. Focuses on the children of the main characters) and could use further context and information for the reader.
    On the article talk page, Mike felt that a list would look better and more organized. As for the incompleteness and context, I fixed it. -- 1989 19:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
    It used to be in prose; see this version, for example. It was essentially a list then, too, but was harder to read. Some of the details are at List of Naruto media, and since there's little more to say about the films and OVAs than their name, release date, and a sentence of summary, I don't think leaving it as prose is really beneficial. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 00:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Rather than "Commercial success" as a name of a section, wouldn't it be better to have "Commercial performance" just to avoid any misinterpretations of POV issues? While it is clear that this is successful, it may be better to let the sources speak for itself rather than putting it up in the section title.
    I changed it. -- 1989 19:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Wonderful work with this article. I only have two rather minor comments to make about this. I will promote this article once my comments are addressed. Good luck with this article this time around. Aoba47 ( talk) 18:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@ Aoba47: Replies above. -- 1989 19:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your comments. I support this for promotion. Good luck with this and great work with the article as a whole. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on my current FAC? I understand if you do not have the time or energy to look at it though; hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Hopefully, this time the nomination will be successful for you. Aoba47 ( talk) 19:21, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Source review

After translating the Japanese reference I added, I think the article passes its source review. All urls are archived whereas the books indicate page numbers. References in the both the series' success as well as critical response appear to be WP:Reliable sources approved by the project of manga and anime. Good work. Tintor2 ( talk) 00:55, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Image review - the fair use rationale for the single, low-res image is fine. FunkMonk ( talk) 09:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Comments from Vedant
  • The "addictiveness" bit in the lead is a little vague IMO. What exctly was addictive?
    I changed it. -- 1989 14:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Kishimoto subsequently decided to make Naruto a child in ninja training who could transform into a fox, and he created a one-shot of Naruto for the summer 1997 issue of Akamaru Jump, in which Naruto is a fox" - The phrasing could be better. "Naruto" is overused in the sentence; the whole fox bit also feels repetitive.
    I changed it. -- 1989 14:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Despite the positive feedback it received in a readers' poll, Kishimoto was unhappy with the art and the story." - "it" might not be appropriate it here as the subject should be introduced sepaartely in a new paragraph.
    Fixed. -- 1989 14:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "The first eight chapters of the follow-up series were planned before it appeared in the magazine" - again, the magazine isn't really as obvious as one might think. Unfamiliar readers might not follow the lead. I think it might be easier if you merge the paragraphs as they talk about the same thing.
    Fixed. -- 1989 14:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • " but in the event there was little room for romantic plotlines as he considered Naruto to be primarily a fighting series" - this could be phrased better as well.
    Fixed. -- 1989 14:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I have made some very basic fixes in prose while reading through the article, and will go through the rest of the sections soon. Also, are there no relevant images available for any of the sections? Numerounovedant Talk 13:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

1989 will be the expert on this, not me, but I doubt there are any free images, and we can't really justify more than one as fair use. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 14:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Sadly, there are no free images of the author Masashi Kishimoto. In some volumes he showed some sketches about the characters but I doubt they are that important here. Tintor2 ( talk) 15:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Maybe this sketch of Naruto from the pilot series could help? Tintor2 ( talk) 16:05, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Not really. -- 1989 16:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Maybe a little bit on the rather unknown journalists/critics' actual professions just to put things in perspective? (Eg. Amy Plumb and Christopher A. Born, among others.)

The prose generally reads alright to me (although it could use some polishing), I might make some changes (if need be) directly. Other than that, I can Support this. Good luck with the nomination. Numerounovedant Talk 18:51, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Yugoslav torpedo boat T5

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about a dinky little torpedo boat that started its life in the Austro-Hungarian Navy and served for nearly 50 years under four different flags. She had a busy World War I in the Adriatic before being transferred to the fledgling Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) after the war. She had a fairly uneventful interwar period, but once Yugoslavia was drawn into World War II with the Axis invasion of that country in April 1941 she was put back into service under the Italian flag. Handed back to the Royal Yugoslav Navy-in-exile when the Italians surrendered in 1943, she ended up serving in the post-war communist Yugoslav Navy until 1962. This is the third of this class to go through FAC, so hopefully I've ironed out most of the kinks. All comments and suggestions gratefully received. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Just one image, which seems to be correctly used and correctly licensed (assuming that the license info is correct, something I cannot easily check). For the ALT text however, I'd call that a medium-sized ship. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 15:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, alt text tweaked. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 23:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria ( talk) 15:56, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments by Finetooth

I find no fault with the prose, and I don't see any MOS problems. This reads well. Coming at this as a non-expert, I'm not able to say for sure that it's comprehensive, but it appears to be. I noticed only one thing to ask about, as follows:
Background
  • ¶1 Ganz & Danubius "reduced their price by ten percent". – Ten percent of what? It might be good to add how much SST charged per boat for the first batch, and how much Ganz & Danubius charged per boat for the second batch, if those numbers are known.
Thanks for taking a look, Finetooth. Unfortunately, no source I'm aware of provides the unit price which was being discounted by Ganz & Danubius, just that the discount was the reason for the larger order. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 04:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Switching to support, as noted above. You might consider adding, "a competing boatbuilder" after "Ganz & Danubius". That particular sentence was the only one I found a bit puzzling. Finetooth ( talk) 14:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Good suggestion. Done. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 01:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hooded pitohui

Nominator(s): Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Another bird, this time from New Guinea, but this one is intriguing as it is the most poisonous bird in the world. Didn't know birds were poisonous? Neither did scientists really till they started looking at this one. It's had a thorough GAN and has plenty of detail about why sticking it in your mouth would be a bad idea. Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Image review - I already looked at the image licensing/sourcing during the GA review, so I can say it all looks fine. FunkMonk ( talk) 08:09, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Riley

Same thing as always. Note to coordinators, if I ever stop reviewing, consider this as a weak support or neutral if all of the comments are answered.

  • In the sentence "Within the oriole family the species is most closely related to the variable pitohui complex, and then the figbirds," two things are unclear. First, it is unclear whether the species complex is variable or whether it is referring to the variable pitohui (pause) complex. Next, it should be made a bit more clear which it is more closely related to.
  • Fixed. I actually cursed the lack of caps, but actually here even that wouldn't work! Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Make it more clear what leading means in the sentence "A social bird, it lives in family groups and frequently joins and even leads mixed-species foraging flocks."
  • Presumably leading means it leads? The meaning of leading isn't elaborated in the source text, but surely most people would understand lead.... it isn't technical! Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Some oxford commas need to be removed, such as in the sentence "The adult has a black upperwing, head, chin, throat and upper breast, and a black tail."

I will do some more later. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 20:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • I'm confused about the sentence "The species was long thought to be a whistler (Pachycephalidae), and related to other types of pitohui, however it is now known to be in the Old World oriole family (Oriolidae)." Could you specify what "other types of pitohui" are, as it is literally in the genus Pitohui. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 21:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The call section should probably go into the description section, as it deals strictly with the morphology of the calls. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 21:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I never understand why though, this isn't a guidebook (although I have done it in the past myself). I'll do it if you insist though. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Comment by Indy

  • Should probably mention that it is the most poisonous bird in the world in the lead. - Indy beetle ( talk) 20:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments Support from Aa77zz

The article looks well prepared. A few comments:

  • "The species known as pitohuis were long thought to be similar due to being congeneric," - surely this should be the other way around - ie they were considered congeneric because they were similar. (I see this was brought up in the GA review)
  • "with brown to black spots and blotches and faint grey patches over the larger end." This implies that the faint grey patches (and perhaps the black spots and blotches) are only at the larger end. Your cited source HBW alive has "grey patches all over or mainly at larger end". I think it would be worthwhile to cite the primary source for the egg data. Of the five eggs examined only one had most of the markings around the larger end. See:
  • Added, thanks.
  • I trawled through old sources looking for information on breeding. The only small fact I came up with is that the "The natal down is white in colour" see:

- Aa77zz ( talk) 07:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Another comment:

  • "The hooded pitohui is, with the variable pitohui complex, the most toxic species of bird.[14][17]" Is the hooded pitohui significantly more poisonous than the blue-capped ifrit (Ifrita kowaldi)? - Aa77zz ( talk) 14:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I hadn't noticed that a comparison with this species wasn't mentioned in the text. I have no way of knowing if the ifrit is more poisonous or not, so have changed the wording slightly to reflect that uncertainty. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy. Supported above. - Aa77zz ( talk) 07:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Jim

Interesting stuff, just a few comments follow for your consideration Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

  • The close resemblance of this species to other unrelated pitohuis—I know this is explained later, but perhaps clearer as The close resemblance of this species to unrelated birds also named as pitohuis?
  • They forage at all levels of the forest, from the forest floor to the canopy,[8] and are reported to forage in small groups, presumably of related birds.[28] The species also regularly joins mixed-species foraging flocks—too much foraging?
  • I get no sense of how much of the toxin is present in, say, the feathers, although it appears to have been measured. Any chance of a typical level in mg/g tissue or whatever is appropriate?
  • It can range a lot, and be almost undetectable in some instances. I could give an upper range, but would that mean much to people? Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:03, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Okay added some. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
All looks good, changed to support above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Disneyland Railroad

Nominator(s): Jackdude101 ( talk) 04:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about the steam railroad attraction located in the original Disneyland theme park in Anaheim, California. The concept for the railroad was created by Walt Disney himself, who, besides being known for drawing cartoons, was also an avid railfan. The railroad opened on July 17, 1955, and since then it has become one of the busiest attractions of its kind on the planet with an estimated 6.6 million passengers served every year. I re-wrote the entire article earlier this year and after doing so, I successfully campaigned to get it upgraded to good article status. I feel that it satisfies the criteria to be upgraded further to featured article status, which, of course, will ultimately be decided by the reviewers. I look forward to reading your opinions and working together to make the Disneyland Railroad article a new piece of featured content on Wikipedia. 101 04:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Finetooth

This is interesting, well-illustrated, and appears to be comprehensive. I have issues with the lede, as noted below. Most of my questions and suggestions have to do with the prose, which is generally fine but tends a bit too much toward constructions that are either unnecessarily passive or overly complex. Neither of these two sets of prose problems is hard to fix, and I've made several specific suggestions for improvement. I made a dozen or so minor edits as I went; please revert any you think are misguided.
General
  • Images need alt text. Done
  • I need clarification on what you mean by this. Each image has a description on their Wikimedia Commons page. 101 ( Talk) 20:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • There's a full explanation at WP:ALT. I added alt text just now to the Yoakum image so you can see what's involved. I write these by trying to imagine what a blind reader would need to hear from a screen reader that translates the alt text into sound. You will note an alt-text checker in the toolbox in the upper right-hand corner of this review page. If you click on it, you will see the alt text for the Yoakum image. You'll need to write alt text for all the others. The alt text doesn't show up as text on the article page itself but will appear if you roll over an image with your mouse. Hope this clarifies. Good luck writing these; the locomotive descriptions look a bit more difficult than the one I did. Finetooth ( talk) 23:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Alt text has been added to every image in the article except the one in the infobox, due to error messages appearing when alt text is added to it. 101 03:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I had to squirrel around to figure this one out. Section 5, "Examples", of Template: Infobox has a solution. I've added an alt parameter to the infobox and filled in the alt text space with the word "something". I leave it to you to write the actual alt text to replace "something". Your other alt texts seem fine. Finetooth ( talk) 15:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I would recommend moving either the map or the image across from it to eliminate the text sandwich in Planning and construction. I'd probably move the image down and leave the map where it is. Done
  • Umm. That eliminates the text sandwich from Planning and construction but creates a new one in Attraction concept origins. Something I didn't think to mention before is that it's better, when possible, to have directional images looking into the page rather than out. Since Locomotive No. 173 is currently running out of the page, I wonder if moving it to where you have now placed the map and moving the map back down into Planning and construction might be a solution. You'd have to position the map so that it is not right across from the passenger cars. It looks to me like there's enough room to do that without making a sandwich of text squeezed between images on the left and right. Finetooth ( talk) 16:45, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
    • I moved the map/route diagram a tiny bit further down and there is no text sandwich now, at least with the screen dimensions I have. I would like to keep the route diagram as close as possible to the infobox, which is standard practice for similar railroad articles. 101 18:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Lede
  • A good deal of what appears in this lede does not seem to appear in the main text. Examples are the length of the route, the current number of trains and their travel times, the info about the A, B, C, and D tickets, and the info about the temporary closure. What I'm reading here is a kind of intro rather than a summary of the main text. To fix this, you need to make sure that the main text includes the info summarized in the lede. After that, the citations embedded in the lede can go away and instead be embedded in the main text. My guess is that most of the data (track length, ticket guidelines, temp closure) belongs in the Ride experience section, which tells us what to expect if we go to Disneyland in 2017 and ride the train. Done
  • ¶2 "such as the conversion of one of its train cars into a parlor car in the mid-1970s, and switching from diesel oil to cleaner-burning biodiesel to fuel its locomotives in the late 2000s." – How about "the switch to" to make the construction parallel to "the conversion of"? Done
  • ¶3 "until the use of all ride tickets were discontinued..." – Trim by four words to "until ride tickets were discontinued"? Done
Attraction concept origins
  • ¶1 "As a young boy, he had a desire to become..." – Tighten by three words to "As a young boy, he wanted to become..."? Done
  • ¶1 "he obtained a job as a news butcher... " – Can "news butcher" be linked to something? I'm not sure of its meaning except in the context of this article. Not done
  • I attempted to find a Wikipedia article to link to this, but no such article exists. The description in that sentence of what Disney did in that job summarizes what a news butcher is. 101 ( Talk) 20:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I couldn't find one either, nor is there one in Wiktionary. The meaning is pretty clear from context, but if other editors ask this same question, you might consider adding a footnote. Here is an RS for a definition: news butcher. Finetooth ( talk) 16:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • ¶1 "Many years later, after co-founding the Walt Disney Company with his older brother Roy O. Disney, he started playing polo, but after receiving several injuries including fractured vertebrae, his doctor made a recommendation that he pursue a calmer recreational activity." – Since the doctor didn't receive the injuries, please recast. Perhaps "Many years later, after co-founding the Walt Disney Company with his older brother Roy O. Disney, he started playing polo. Fractured vertebrae and other injuries led him to abandon the sport on the advice of his doctor, who recommended a calmer recreational activity." Or something like that. Done
  • ¶3 "During this time, Disney proposed that the narrow gauge Crystal Springs & Southwestern Railroad, which the nearby Travel Town Museum in Griffith Park was planning to build, be extended to run through Disneyland; however, due to the Ventura Freeway planned to be constructed between the two sites, and the Burbank City Council rejecting the idea of a new amusement park in their city, Disney had to look elsewhere for a suitable place to build Disneyland and its narrow gauge railroad. – Too complex. Maybe "During this time, Disney proposed that the narrow gauge Crystal Springs & Southwestern Railroad, which the nearby Travel Town Museum in Griffith Park planned to build, be extended to run through Disneyland. However, planned construction of the Ventura Freeway across land between the two sites and rejection by the Burbank City Council of a new amusement park in their city, led Disney to look elsewhere." Or something like that. Done
Planning and construction
  • ¶1 "referred to by Disneyland employees as Retlaw 1" – This is Walter spelled backwards, but it takes a while to figure that out. Perhaps the article should explain this directly in the text or in a note. Done
  • ¶2 "an attempt was made by Walt Disney to purchase a set..." – Flip to active voice and tighten: "Walt Disney tried to buy a set..."? Done
  • ¶2 "the steam locomotives planned to be built for the DRR" – Tighten by three words: "the steam locomotives planned for the DRR"? Done
  • ¶3 "While the train cars and most of the parts for the locomotives were built at Walt Disney Studios, the boilers for the locomotives were built by Dixon Boiler Works and their frames were built by Wilmington Iron Works." – Flip to active voice: "While Walt Disney Studios built the train cars and most of the parts for the locomotives, Dixon Boiler Works built the locomotive boilers, and Wilmington Iron Works built the frames."? Done
  • ¶3 "Both locomotives were designed to run on diesel oil for fuel to generate steam." – Tighten by two words by deleting "for fuel"? Done
  • ¶3 " US$240,000" – No need to specify U.S. dollars in a U.S.-based article. Done
  • ¶4 "to make it appear to be taller" – Trim by two words: "to make it appear taller"? Done
  • ¶5 "The track layout and operations for the DRR were created by railroad-building expert Earl Vilmer..." –Flip to active voice: "Railroad-building expert Earl Vilmer created the track layout and operations for the DRR..."? Maybe end the sentence there, and start a new one with "Broggie hired Vilmer because of his experience building railroads... ". Done
  • ¶5 "On July 17, 1955, Disneyland and the Disneyland Railroad opened, and the day began with Walt Disney pulling the DRR's No. 2 locomotive and its passenger train...". – To avoid the comic idea of Disney physically pulling the train, maybe "driving" rather than "pulling"? Done
Additions in the late 1950s
  • Please eliminate the unnecessary US before "$" instances from this section. Done
  • ¶3 "...with its final cost after being restored totaling over US$37,000." – More succinct would be "at a cost after restoration of more than $37,000." Done
  • ¶5 "The addition of the Grand Canyon Diorama in 1958 prompted changes to the Retlaw 2 freight train pulled by the DRR's No. 1 locomotive, which involved adding side-facing bench seating pointed towards Disneyland and red-and-white striped awnings on all of the cattle cars and gondolas, as well as removing the walls on the cattle cars facing towards the park, allowing for better views of the diorama.[65] That same year, a third gondola with the same modifications as the other gondolas was added, and a fourth gondola with the same attributes was added in 1959, bringing the total number of freight cars in the train set, now referred to by Disneyland employees as Holiday Red, to eight.– Both of these sentences seem to me to be overly complicated. An easy fix for these and others like it is to split them, which is what I would recommend here. The new first sentence could end with "gondola." The second sentence could be "The walls on the cattle cars facing the park were removed to allow better views of the diorama." The third sentence could end with "1959". The fourth sentence could say "This brought the total number of freight cars...". Done
  • ¶5 "...Walt Disney had insisted that there be no seats on them for the purpose of authenticity and to make the passengers feel like cattle riding on an actual cattle train." – Slightly confusing. Perhaps "...Walt Disney, for the purpose of authenticity, had insisted that there be no seats on them; he wanted the passengers to feel like cattle on an actual cattle train." Done
  • ¶6 "Also in 1958..." – No need for "Also." Done
  • ¶7 "After Walt Disney concurred with the decision...". – For more concise prose, delete "with the decision"? Done
  • ¶7 "with its final cost after being restored totaling over US$57,000." – More succinct would be "at a cost after restoration of more than $57,000." Done
Changes from the 1960s to present
  • Trim subhead to "Changes since 1960"? Done
  • ¶1 "Despite the fact that the station was no longer in the Frontierland section...". – Suggestion: "Although" instead of four words, "Despite the fact that". Done
  • ¶2 "In 1996, the five other Retlaw 1 passenger cars were acquired by rail collector Bill Norred." – Flip to active voice; i.e., "In 1996, rail collector Bill Norred acquired the five other Retlaw 1 passenger cars." Done
  • ¶3 "In spring 1966, a five-gondola train set with green-and-white-striped awnings and a five-gondola train set with blue-and-white-striped awnings, referred to by Disneyland employees as Holiday Green and Holiday Blue respectively, were added to the DRR's rolling stock, with both containing side-facing bench seating like the Holiday Red freight train." – Split this too-complicated sentence by ending with "rolling stock. Both had side-facing bench seats like the Holiday Red freight train."? Done
  • ¶6 "After arriving in Disneyland, the Maud L. locomotive, which would later be renamed Ward Kimball like the locomotive for which it was traded, was given a new cab built by Disney and a new boiler built by Hercules Power, which was subcontracted by Superior Boiler Works; however, due to budget issues, the restoration of the locomotive was suspended not long after its arrival and its parts were planned to be placed in long-term storage in late 2003." – Another overly complicated sentence. Suggestion: Split. Done
  • ¶7 "an exceptionally unusual event" – I'd use either "exceptional" or "unusual" but not both. Done
  • ¶7 "The steam train was previously owned by Johnston, who used to run it on his vacation property, which he sold, along with the train, in 1993." –Flip to active voice; i.e., "Johnston, a previous owner of the steam train, used to run it on his vacation property, which he sold, along with the train, in 1993." Done
Ride experience
  • ¶1 "Each train is operated by an engineer and fireman in the locomotive, as well as a conductor in the front and back of the train who supervise the passengers." – "A conductor" doesn't match the plural verb "supervises". For this reason, recast as "An engineer accompanied by a fireman operates the locomotive, while conductors at each end of the train supervise the passengers."? Done
  • ¶2 "can be heard emanating from the old Frontierland Station depot building, which continuously repeats the first two lines..." – The building doesn't repeat anything, but the "sound effect" does. You can fix this by splitting the sentence, which is overly complicated. The first part can end after "building". The second can say "The sound effect continuously repeats the first two lines of Walt Disney's 1955 Disneyland dedication speech." Done
  • ¶6 "no heavy rain is present." – "Falling" rather than "present"? Done
Incidents
  • "During early 2004 at Tomorrowland Station, an explosion in the DRR's No. 3 locomotive took place caused by accumulated diesel fumes in the firebox after its fire suddenly went out." – Maybe "At Tomorrowland Station in early 2004, accumulated diesel fumes in the firebox of DRR's No. 3 locomotive exploded after the fire suddenly went out."? Done
  • This is all I have for now. Finetooth ( talk) 20:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Your recommendations to the article have been implemented. Let me know what you think. 101 03:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Randall Flagg

Nominator(s): CyberGhostface ( talk) 17:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I guess this has been sort of my 'Moby Dick' on Wikipedia as I've been trying to get this to featured status for over a decade now. I believe that this article is as comprehensive as it's going to be, featuring in addition to the fictional character history Stephen King's own history in writing him as well as analysis from critics on the character. My hope is, if the article is good enough, to either get it as featured article for the day in time for the release of the Dark Tower film in August or on King's birthday in September. CyberGhostface ( talk) 17:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Midnightblueowl

I've only taken a very quick skim through, but there are a few things that jump out immediately:

  • The referencing seems a little all over the place. Some paragraphs have citations, yet others don't. There are only two in the lede; I would go with either no citations or full citations in the lede. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • In quite a few cases, citations are separated from the sentence with a space. That needs sorting. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • There are a number of instances of ” which should be ". Similarly, there are instances of ’ rather than '. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Characteristic of Randall Flagg is his embodiment of evil." - pretty subjective statement. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 21:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I removed the subjective statement and I think I changed all of the quotation marks. I'll give a look at the references this weekend.-- CyberGhostface ( talk) 01:33, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Comments from Aoba47
  • This may be more of a stylistic preference, but would it be better to move the quote box from the "Novels" subsection to the "The Stand" subsection as the quote directly deals with The Stand and the current positioning causes a somewhat awkward indentation in the subsection headings.
  • The second paragraph of the "The Stand" subsection does not have any references. Same goes for a majority of the "The Eyes of the Dragon" subsection. I would also ask you to look through the "The Dark Tower series" subsection to make sure that everything is properly cited there as well.
  • The subtitle on the Stephen King image needs a reference (for the "came out of nowhere" quote). The quote as used in the lead also needs to be cited.
  • Would it be appropriate to rename the "Characterization" section as the "Characterization and critical reception" section as you do include information on critical reception/feedback of the character.
  • In the following sentence (It was confirmed in 2016 that Matthew McConaughey would be playing the role of Walter o'Dim, Flagg's alter-ego, in the film adaptation of The Dark Tower.), please include the link to the article on the 2017 film.
  • I would assume that you would need a more complete caption for the Matthew McConaughey other than just the actor's name.

Wonderful work with this article. It is a very interesting read. I will support this for promotion as soon as my comments are addressed. Aoba47 ( talk) 17:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Mia Hamm

Nominator(s): Hmlarson ( talk) 17:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about American soccer icon Mia Hamm. It recently passed GAR and was suggested as a FAC. It is a level-4 vital article in People. Hmlarson ( talk) 17:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank ( push to talk)

  • This edit is fine, as long as you put the "and" back before "Texas". Some copyeditors call this "cannabalism"; one necessary "and" has eaten the other necessary "and". Does that make sense? - Dank ( push to talk) 22:50, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I split it up into two sentences. Hmlarson ( talk) 17:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "In addition to the 34,148 fans in attendance being greater than any MLS game that weekend, the Turner Network Television (TNT) broadcast reached 393,087 households: more than two MLS games broadcast on ESPN and ESPN2.": ?
  • What is your question? Hmlarson ( talk) 17:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "that kept her out for the first half off the pitch": ?
  • "World Football Hall of Fame" (linked to es.wiki): Create a stub here on en.wiki, if there isn't one already, and link to that.
  • Is there a guideline you can provide to support this? Hmlarson ( talk) 17:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "<ref name="Today' ": ?
  • Support on prose per my These are my edits. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Dank Thanks for your review and copyediting. I've added a few comments/questions above. Hmlarson ( talk) 17:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for you work. See my standard disclaimer, which is more relevant now that I've hurt my wrist. - Dank ( push to talk) 19:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I reviewed this at GAN and feel it satisfies FA criteria on comprehensiveness and prose. Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 14:31, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria ( talk) 15:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Shine (Gwen Stefani song)

Nominator(s): Aoba47 ( talk) 14:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello again! I am taking a break from my normal FACs on articles dealing with television and fictional characters to nominate one that focuses on a song. This article is about a song recorded by American singer Gwen Stefani and featuring vocals by American singer Pharrell Williams. Originally intended for the band No Doubt, it was written and produced by Williams, with additional songwriting from Stefani, as the theme song for the 2014 animated film Paddington. "Shine" is a pop song that incorporates elements of reggae pop and ska, and features lyrics that revolve around the lead character Paddington Bear's journey to London and his identity crisis.

The track was released on January 13, 2015, through a lyric video on The Weinstein Company's YouTube channel, in addition to a promotional CD. The song was also promoted in the American trailer for the film. While a low-quality version leaked on December 31, 2014, a full version of the song remains unavailable to the public. The lyric video is included on the DVD and Blu-ray releases of the film. Critical response to "Shine" was mixed. Some critics praised Stefani and Williams' chemistry as a team, while others compared it negatively to their previous collaborations and singles. It was frequently compared to Willams' 2013 single " Happy", and Stefani and Williams' 2014 song " Spark the Fire".

I believe that the article satisfies all of the parts of the FA criteria. I have received notes in the previous two FAC attempts for this article that there were concerns about its comprehensiveness, but I firmly believe that I have mined all of the sources available on this topic (even reaching into information that was only presented in radio interviews). I really do not believe that there is more information about this song out there that is not already present in the article. I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this nomination. Thank you in advance!  Aoba47 ( talk) 14:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Vedant

Resolved comments from Numerounovedant Talk

Will look at this soon. Numerounovedant Talk 18:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Thank you! Aoba47 ( talk) 18:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Having read the article mutiple times in the past two days, I am more than happy to offer my Support as per the standard of prose. I might offer some suggestions/minor c.e. in the future, but I have no comments at this point. I would leave the the technical aspects out of the review owing to my lack of familiarity with the area of concern here. Fine work with the article though. Numerounovedant Talk 19:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your support and comments. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Aoba47 ( talk) 19:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Having read the article mutiple times in the past two days, I am more than happy to offer my Support as per the standard of prose. I might offer some suggestions/minor c.e. in the future, but I have no comments at this point. I would leave the the technical aspects out of the review owing to my lack of familiarity with the area of concern here. Fine work with the article though. Numerounovedant Talk 19:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from 1989

Resolved comments from 1989
  • "a full version of the record remains unreleased digitally" I'd changed the word remains.
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "They also served as judges on the American reality television singing competition The Voice in 2014." This may not be needed.
  • Removed. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Stefani later commented" Is later needed?
  • I believe that this part is necessary to situate that the following part of the sentence is something that she talked about directly in an interview to avoid accusations that I was doing original research or having it appear like I am narrating something rather than pointing to a source and citing it. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Paddington Bear "; Stefani"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "his children's connection with Paddington Bear" How were Pharrell's children connected to the film?
  • Revised. They were fans of the books. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "mirror / That's your way home."[19]" Is a period needed?
  • The period is necessary as it is the end of the sentence, but I moved the period outside of the quotation marks. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "complete animations of the Paddington Bear character." animations?
  • Paddington Bear in the film was created using a combination of computer-generated imagery and animatronics. Stefani was commented on how she finally saw all of the animation work for the bear put together while watching the film with her sons. Let me know how you think that this should be clarified. I believe it is pretty clear in the article already, but I look forward to any feedback you have to give on this point in particular. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Even though a low-quality version leaked on December 31, 2014, a full version of the record remains unreleased for consumer consumption." remains...
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Good work on the article, I didn't find too much error. 1989 20:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • @ 1989: Thank you for your comments. I believe that i have addressed everything, and I look forward to hearing your feedback. Have a wonderful rest of your day. Aoba47 ( talk) 21:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
    Support and File:ShineGwenPromoCoverLimitedEdition.jpg has an appropriate rationale and license, which passes the image review. -- 1989 21:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you! Aoba47 ( talk) 22:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Support and File:ShineGwenPromoCoverLimitedEdition.jpg has an appropriate rationale and license, which passes the image review. -- 1989 21:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Krish!

  • Support: After reading this twice, I think the article very much deserves that FA star. Aoba47 Well done my friend. Krish | Talk 17:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you! Aoba47 ( talk) 19:31, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Cartoon network freak

Resolved comments from Cartoon network freak
  • Is it possible to add "Format" to the promotional single infobox?
  • I am not sure what you mean by this; the format is already in the infobox. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • by American singer Gwen Stefani and featuring vocals by → by American singer Gwen Stefani, featuring collaborative vocals by American recording artist
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • with additional songwriting from Stefani, as the theme song for the 2014 animated film Paddington. → split the last sentence as it's too long. Write something like "It acts as the..."
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Link "pop" to pop music; I got confused as this genre doesn't appear in the infobox nor in the "Composition" section
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • like "bear" and "station" → including "bear" and "station"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • She reported that her → The singer reported that her (alternation)
  • I do not think that "the singer" would be appropriate in this context. It sounds odd to refer to a person through their profession. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • her then husband → her then-husband
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The track was released on January 13, 2015, through a lyric video → reads akwardly, try "A lyric video for the track was released on January 31, 2015..."
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • channel, in addition to a → comma not needed
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • a full version of the record → "record" is generally used for albums; use "recording"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • was not available → was not made available
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The lyric video is included → past tense
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • It was frequently compared to → use "likened" here for alternation
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • and Stefani and Williams' 2014 song → William was just a writer on the track and you needn't go in such detail in the lead; remove his name
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • were collaborating on a record → ...recording
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • worked together on the singles: "Hella Good", → no ":" needed here + add release year in brackets for each song
  • Revised. The ":" is needed as it is a list. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Stefani commented → "She" for alternation
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • be released as a record → ... recording
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • She said the film → She further confessed that the film (alternation)
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Williams considered the song to be: "a → no ":" needed here
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • as Paddington Bear"; Stefani said that she was: "honored → ...", while Stefani said that she was "honored
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Unlink Gwen Stefani in the box
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • twenty-four seconds → numbers above ten not spelled out; "24 seconds"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Instrumentation is provided by" → it would be better to say "Instrumentation is composed of"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Williams equated Stefani's → state "the singer" as alternation
  • I do not think that "the singer" would be appropriate in this context. It sounds odd to refer to a person through their profession. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Rolling Stone called it: "a pop → no ":"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • from Gigwise described the lyrics → I would say "noted" would fit better in this context
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • It ends with Williams → say "Shine" here to clarify what we're talking about
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • that she disagreed initially → that she initially disagreed
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Stefani said that she "wanted → "confessed" for alternation
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • saying that he was: "the one who → no ":"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Sample > A 22-second audio sample of the song. The audio sample → A 22-second sample of the song, showing
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Leave "and music video" out from the title of your "Promotion and music video" section and replace it with "and usage in media"
  • Since the entire second paragraph is devoted to the music video, I feel that the section title is more appropriate in its original phrasing. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • a full version of the record → ...recording
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • not made available for consumer consumption → "for the public" is less complicated and sounds better
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • but it did not receive a nomination → however not receiving a nomination
  • I think the original phrasing is better. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • thirty-five → 35
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • was uploaded to → was uploaded onto
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • from the film in which: "the iconic → no ":"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • It is included → To clarify things: The visual was included
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • DVD and Blu-ray releases → releases of what??
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • a newspaper which is part of the USA Today Network → this information is superfluous and can be removed
  • The phrase was added to show the source is reliable. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Critical reception" needs to go before the "Promotion" section
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Link "Herbert Chappell" to his own article on Wikipedia
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Paddington" should be in italics as it was a television series
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Dewing praised Stefani and Willams' ability: "to compose → Dewing further praised Stefani and William's ability "to compose
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • of the BreatheHeavy website → just "BreatheHeavy"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • of the BreatheHeavy website called it: "a catchy → no ":" needed here
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Release year in brackets for "Baby Don't Lie"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • of TheWrap wrote that Stefani's vocal delivery → use "the singer" here for alternation
  • Read above. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Please expand the title of the "Credits" section to "Credits and personnel"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • add a "the" before "American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers"
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Unlink label and format in "Release history" as previously mentioned in the article
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 23:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I now support this. You did a very good job, Aoba47! Cartoon network freak ( talk) 05:12, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Panagiotis Zois

  • Shouldn't Gwen Stefani be linked in the lead?
  • Linked. Not sure how I missed that lol. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "and ska song, featuring lyrics that revolve..."
  • Revised. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, besides these two things, I didn't find any other problems with the article. Kickass job Aoba.

  • @ PanagiotisZois: Thank you for your comments. I believe that I have addressed both of them. I hope you are having a wonderful day so far. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Image / audio clip review

I'm not sure if I'm qualified to do this or if only a few select can, but I looked into both the picture and the audio clip and both of them have fair-use rationales. The picture is low resolution and the audio clip is only 22 seconds long; both of which are acceptable. I only have one question; while I understand that the song wasn't released as a single, not really, does a digital version of the infobox picture exist? PanagiotisZois ( talk) 06:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • That is a very good question. Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, there is not a digital version of the single cover, primarily because it was never made available for digital distribution (again, to the best of my knowledge, the cover is actually from the physical copy that was sent in for Oscar consideration). Thank you for bringing this up as it is a very good question to clarify. And to answer your first question, I am sure that anyone can be do the image review (as they will most likely be double-checked by the closing FAC coordinator). Aoba47 ( talk) 14:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Loev (film)

Nominator(s): Numerounovedant Talk 16:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about an Indian film that was released on Netflix. I am looking for construvtive comments to improve the article. It recently went through a GAR conducted by Aoba47. I would also like to thank Kailash29792 and Ssven2 for their help with the article. Numerounovedant Talk 16:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank ( push to talk)

  • Can you tell me (here, not by editing the article) a little bit about the tuberculosis? Although it's probably the leading cause of death in the world among respiratory diseases, it still strikes me as unusual in this case ... depending on what happened, it might need some explaining. - Dank ( push to talk) 17:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look this is the most detailed discussion oh Ganesh's death. I hope this helps. Numerounovedant Talk 17:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay thanks ... I've read all the links I can find and they don't talk about it, so I guess we can't in the article. Other than that, I don't have any comments to offer yet. Nice work. - Dank ( push to talk) 17:30, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, looking forward to further comments. Numerounovedant Talk 17:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comments from Aoba47
  • Not to be too nitpicky, but the ALT text for the infobox image (Pandit and Ganesh embracing in a bed on the film's poster.) reads a little awkwardly, specifically the "on the film's poster" part as it can read like the bed is literally on the poster. I would just remove that part and maybe add in the front of the text something along the lines of "An image of..." to get the same point across.
  • I would clarify in this part from the lead "who share a complicated relationship that takes center stage during a weekend getaway to" what you mean by "a complicated relationship" as that sounds a little too vague for my liking.
  • I still support this, but I am not certain that "complex" is needed in the description as it sounds a little off to me. I will leave this for other reviewers to discuss, but I just wanted to leave a note about this. Aoba47 ( talk) 17:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
@ Aoba47: One last thing, I have rephrased the sentence, do you like this version better? Numerounovedant Talk 18:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I think that works better. Thank you for addressing this point. Aoba47 ( talk) 18:10, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Do we have any information on how exactly Saria drew from his personal experiences for this film? It is fine if there is not anything out there, but it just seems like a really broad claim without any specific example with it.
Not really.
  • That is what I thought, but I just wanted to make sure with you. It is fine as it stands then. Aoba47 ( talk) 17:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Again this is very nitpicky but in the following phrase from the lead (Upon initial release), I would say (Upon its initial release) would be more appropriate.
  • I would break up the following sentence into two (The major praise was directed towards the script and the performances of Pandit and Ganesh, and the unconventional and fresh treatment of a taboo subject matter in India.), with a separate sentence for the treatment of the taboo subject matter. Also, this sentence is a little confusing as it never made clear what "taboo subject matter" you are discussing as it is not spelled out in the lead clearly (it can be clearly seen in the infobox image, but the lead skirts around the topic; this goes back to my point about the "complicated relationship" statement).
  • The part about the rape in the "Plot" section still reads very awkwardly to me, and I would suggest looking at that further and revise it more. This part in particular (He violently pressed him beside a wall and starts kissing him, to which Sahil responds initially, but later asks him to stop by saying that "this isn't what he (Jai) wants".) needs work.
  • In this sentence (who brings along his friend (Rishabh Chaddha) to the hotel), does the friend have a name?
I am not sure, I'll have to check, but he was never a significant character.
  • Makes sense, I just wanted to double-check. Aoba47 ( talk) 17:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I have a clarification question for the following sentence (As he is walking away into the airport, Jai sends a text message to Sahil saying that he loves him.). How does Sahil respond to the text? Following this sentence, it appears that this is the final mention/part featuring Sahil in the film so I was a little confused by the jump.
Actually, I think he's never really shown reading his text. It's more for closure sake (more for the audience I believe).
  • Makes sense, I just wanted to double-check. Aoba47 ( talk) 17:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • It would be beneficial to add a date/year to the following sentence rather than "eventually" for clarity (The worldwide rights of the film were eventually acquired by Netflix).
  • There is a citation error for Reference 26.
  • Just wanted to point out that "Scroll.in." was a red link in the References section. It is more than okay to have a red link, but I just wanted to let you know that it was there.

Wonderful job with this article. Once my comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this. Good luck with this nomination. Aoba47 ( talk) 15:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Fixed everything/left comments. Thanks, so really appreciate you going through this again. Also, thank you for all the previous help with the article. Numerounovedant Talk 16:46, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for addressing my comments. I support this; good luck with getting this promoted. Aoba47 ( talk) 17:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Image review

Wonderful work with this article. This passes all of the requirements for the image review. The minor issue with the infobox image's ALT text should be covered in my above review. Aoba47 ( talk) 16:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for this too. Numerounovedant Talk 16:46, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Anytime! Aoba47 ( talk) 17:34, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Dan Bain

Nominator(s): Kaiser matias ( talk) 11:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

This article was nominated back in 2013 by me, and failed then for a variety of reasons. Well after some delay I've brought it back, ostensibly as part of my goal to get the 1945 Hockey Hall of Fame class to FA (though since that project began its been shown there aren't actually 12 players, but that's not relevant). I addressed everything from the previous FAC, and added information from a recently published journal article on the life of Bain, which gives it a little more detail (though its still short at 1400 words). Kaiser matias ( talk) 11:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank ( push to talk)

  • I like the goal to "get the 1945 Hockey Hall of Fame class to FA". I understand that to achieve a goal like that, you'll have to bring us some articles that are on the short side. It seems to me that people respond enthusiastically to your articles, and for as long as they do that, I don't want to hold you back. But in several respects, this just doesn't read like a Featured Article to me. One option I have as a reviewer is to say: okay, enough, this isn't working, please find a co-nom or an interested person to help you with these articles before they hit FAC. I don't think that would be an unreasonable request, in this case. I think on balance I want to wait and see what happens with this one before I take a position. - Dank ( push to talk) 12:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Is there anything constructive you'd like to add here, other than seemingly imply I'm incapable of writing/producing a FA-class article? If I'm reading that wrong I apologise, but it seems needlessly hostile and doesn't provide much, so I'd just like some clarification. Kaiser matias ( talk) 12:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
There's no insult intended here. I'm trying to avoid an oppose if it can be avoided. But I've hurt my wrist, so I'll leave it there. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, just external issues coming and clouding my wording and judgement, which is inappropriate on my behalf. Terrible to hear about the wrist, as you're efforts are appreciated. Kaiser matias ( talk) 02:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Comment. File:DanBain1900.jpg: source link is dead; when/where was this first published? Nikkimaria ( talk) 23:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Updated the link to the original image on the Library and Archives Canada site, which notes the copyright as expired. Kaiser matias ( talk) 12:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

History of the British penny (1901–1970)

Nominator(s): Wehwalt ( talk), Arwel Parry ( talk) 20:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC),

This article is about... a coin that made pockets heavier than they are today, but nevertheless iconic for its portrayal of Britannia. This is about its final seventy years or so, including the great rarity of 1933. Enjoy. Wehwalt ( talk) 20:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Support on prose per my These are my edits. Nicely done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank ( push to talk) 01:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you indeed. I've played with one or two of them.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 07:07, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
The first two changes I see look good to me. - Dank ( push to talk) 12:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments

A nice piece of work! Some initial comments:

  • "saw the final years of its striking as a large, non-decimal coin" - I found this clunky as a the very first sentence of the lead. It didn't flow well for me.
I've played with it.
  • "the obverse of the bronze coin" - "obverse" is clearly the right word for a numismatic article, but it isn't a common term outside the field. I'd have advised "the obverse, or front, of the bronze coin" on first use, particularly since it is in the lead.
I've linked and called it heads.
  • "they were coined principally to be placed beneath foundation stones" - "principally" doesn't quite fit with the main text, which says that only 3 were coined for that purpose, and between 4 and 7 for use in museums.
There are only two in museums. The remaining pieces, the provenance is a bit uncertain. Royal Mint employees of long standing were sometimes presented with proof coins and there is speculation that may have been the source. But we don't know. In any event, three struck for foundation stones, two for the museums, and two unknown, well, given that these might not exist at all but for the need for foundation coins, I think the language is justified.
The main text, though, currently says "the Mint struck three 1933 pennies for this purpose, plus a small number of additional pieces for its own museum and for the British Museum", and then clarifies that the "small number" is between four and seven, and is probably four - which still means that the three 1933 pennies for foundations are in the minority of those struck, with those struck for the museums in the majority. Hchc2009 ( talk) 10:57, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I've been more explicit on this.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 07:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • While on the 1933 story... "by thieves who managed to remove the set of coins from beneath the church" - this implies we've already told the reader about a set of coins - we've only mentioned a single coin, though, the 1933 penny.
The reader's been told the King placed sets of coins under the buildings. The entire set was stolen from under that church, not merely the penny.
  • "as it was claimed" - unclear by who was doing the claiming from context - newspapers? collectors? the public?
It seems the public, at least by implication. Tweaked.
  • Worth checking the capitalisation of "king" and "queen" against the MOS advice at MOS:JOBTITLES - there are quite a few instances where the MOS requires capitalisation.
By going to title case in the translated Latin, I think we're good there.
Still not done: as per the MOS, where "king" refers to a specific king, it should be capitalised - e.g. "on the King's death", as the term is a substitute for Edward VII's own name. Hchc2009 ( talk) 05:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, should be good now.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 07:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Referencing: fn 19, 27 etc. put Coin News and Numismatic articles in long format in the footnotes; Skellern's articles in Coin News are cited in short form, with the article in the bibliography. The referencing style needs to be internally consistent.
Done.
  • Mintages section needs citation.
Done.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 08:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Why is "The Old Currency Exchange" a reliable source? (open question, but there doesn't seem to be a name of a real-world author, and it appears self-published)
Coin dealers are reputable professionals in the field and I think (where not self-promotional) can be cited within their field of expertise, in my view. We freely cite other commercial enterprises, after all.
  • Bibliography: "Lobel, Richard, ed" needs a location and publisher; you should probably be consistent on whether you prefer Ltd or Limited. Hchc2009 ( talk) 07:33, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Fixed. I think we got everything. Thank you for the review.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 00:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Source review from Ealdgyth

  • Current ref 21 is "Coin News June 2014, p. 29" which appears to be referring to ""Edward VII Uniface Penny". Coin News: 26. June 2014." - can we make this consistent so it's easy to find if the article is ever printed out?
  • Same issue for current ref 37 "The Numismatist April 1968, p. 472" which appears to be ""Late World Coin News: Great Britain". The Numismatist: 472. April 1968."
  • Same issue for current ref 19 "The Numismatist July 2016, p. 29" which appears to be ""Pretty Penny". The Numismatist: 29. July 2016."
I'm not sure what you mean by "consistent". Each article is less than a page and does not have a listed author. That is why they are listed by the publication name. I'll check the variation in the page number.
They are listed in the bibliography with title first, but the shortened footnotes list them by publication - this is the problem, it makes it more difficult to see which long citation corresponds to the short footnote, especially if the article is printed out. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Is current ref "Bermuda" meant to be the "Bermuda Monetary Authority"?
  • Are the refs to "Coincraft" supposed to be corresponding to "Lobel, Richard, ed. (1999) [1995]. Coincraft's Standard Catalogue English & UK Coins 1066 to Date (5th ed.). London: Standard Catalogue Publishers Ltd. ISBN 978-0-9526228-8-8."? Because that's confusing, since we have an author.
We have an editor. Coin collectors, anyway, are more likely to know it by the name Coincraft, which is a prominent London coin dealer that issued the catalog.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
But the same issue applies here - non-coin collectors or people who print out the article are going to be confused and it makes it more difficult to connect the short footnote to the proper long citation. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:17, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Is "Rodgers, Kerry (December 2016). "Fiji's World War II Emergency Reserve Bank of New Zealand Overprints". Coin News: 75–79." used in the article? I can't find it under "Coin News" or "Rodgers".
Ref 25.--00:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
In my view, coin dealer's sites, where not unduly self promotional, can be used for such. We use, after all, many other professionals..
Leaving this out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm less certain on this one (as per my review above) - we don't seem to know who the author is and it is self-published by a website. I'd be much happier if there was evidence of this website being held in particular regard by the community etc. (I have no idea if it is or not, btw). Hchc2009 ( talk) 07:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Replaced.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 10:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
It seems to be a high-powered British accountancy firm, with the publication for the use of clients and others.
Leaving this out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
On this one, I think it looks reliable from a wiki perspective; the named author is governed by an accountancy profession; he's a former examiner of the Institute of Financial Management; etc. - while the article may not be peer reviewed and is self-published, the author's profession and role is subject to oversight, and he's held in high regard by it. Hchc2009 ( talk) 07:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I suspect they copied from us, as this article was stable for a long time. But I'll massage it.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 00:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I think I've got everything. Thank you for the review.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 00:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Moise

I have a couple of George V pennies in my childhood coin collection, so I was quite interested to read this article. OK, onto the issues:

  • Lead: "Only seven 1933 pennies were struck." The main text says "certainly fewer than ten and probably seven". Change the lead to "fewer than ten" or something else that sounds less definitive? Moisejp ( talk) 06:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Only pattern coins were struck for the United Kingdom bearing Edward VIII's likeness; they are very rare and dated 1937." May I suggest reordering the sentence so that Edward VIII is closer to the beginning of the sentence and his name makes more impact? Currently, the transition between kings feels possibly too subtle.

More comments to follow. Moisejp ( talk) 07:04, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I've gone to the number known on the 1933. and addressed Edward. Thank you for that.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Brianboulton

Some of these comments may have been raised or superseded in earlier reviews. I've only managed the lead so far. First, though, a few general points:

  • The article title defines it as a history of the British penny from 1901 to 1970. OK, but the fact that the penny existed long before 1901 should be made much more explicit in your opening paragraph, rather than the somewhat casual reference to an "earlier penny" and the later mentions of the Victorian version.
  • I don't think this point has been addressed satisfactorily. There is nothing in this opening statement to indicate that the British penny is of very ancient vintage and that the subject of this article is merely its final manifestation. The phrase "based on the earlier penny..." is misleading as it implies a single predecessor. My suggestion is to rephrase the opening sentence, perhaps thus: "The British penny (1240 of a pound sterling), was a large pre-decimal coin with a long history of circulation in many forms, which was struck intermittently during the 20th century until its final withdrawal after 1970" – and also change "and based on the earlier penny by his father William Wyon" to "based on an earlier design by his father William Wyon". Brianboulton ( talk) 14:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Looking for the best source on this ...-- Wehwalt ( talk) 18:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I've had further thoughts about the sentence "The reverse design had in 1895 been modified by Engraver of the Royal Mint George William de Saulles." This seems to be a an incidental snippet – do we need to know this at this point? Brianboulton ( talk) 14:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I believe it's the case that on coins the monarch's head faces alternatively right and left on changes of reign (Ed7 right, GV left, Ed8 right [would have been], G6 left, E2 right) If this is so it might be worth a mention somewhere in the article if not in the lead - I'm sure some source covers it.
It is mentioned under Edward VIII.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:03, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • In her review I thought Ealdgyth might have queried the reliability of the Daily Express as a source. These days, sad to say, the former Beaverbrook flagship has become a ludicrous tabloid rag, and I wouldn't accept anything it prints as reliable. It's in the same category, or worse, as the Daily Mail which I believe is more or less officially shunned by WP, as are the Sun, the Daily Mirror and their various Sunday counterparts.
She would have, no doubt, but I added it as replacement for a source that was questioned, earlier today. I will search for a further replacement source.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:03, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Lead

  • First mention of "Victoria" should be to " Queen Victoria" and linked
  • "There are two varieties of the 1902 penny, with the difference in the water level on either side of Britannia; they are referred to as "high tide" and "low tide"." This is surely overdetailing here. Include it elsewhere, but it's not a leadworthy fact.
  • "Only seven 1933 pennies are known to have been struck. Commerce did not require more pennies; three were coined to be placed beneath foundation stones, from which one was stolen in 1970, with the other four known pieces used for museums or other purposes." This is a bit clumsy and muddled. I think the intended sense is "Because there were already sufficient pennies in circulation, only seven were struck in 1933. Of these, three were placed beneath foundation stones and the others placed in museums". I'd questiion whether even that pared-down version isn't overdoing the detail for lead purposes. Perhaps leave it as " Because there were already sufficient pennies in circulation, only seven were struck in 1933" and put the detail in the text.
Because it is something of a famous rarity, I think it deserves a little space. I've used a variation of your first suggestion.
  • "Pennies were struck again, in large numbers, beginning in 1961". A brief mention as to why, after so long a gap, would be helpful
  • There are a few prose infelicities in the lead that I'd probably alter, and I might do the odd tweak later.

More comments will follow. Brianboulton ( talk) 16:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for that. If I haven't responded, I've addressed the matter (I will look for the infelicities).-- Wehwalt ( talk) 19:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Ceoil

Mostly light-weight from an initial read. Will be supporting.

  • also saw use in - were issued in
  • had in 1895 been - was modified in 1895 by
I feel that by going back to before the timespan of this article, that "had" is justified.
  • I'd break this sentence at "and following"; . "Following..."
  • there were already sufficient pennies - don't need 'already'
  • From 1941 to 1943, during the Second World War - swap order - During the Second World War period of 1941 to 1943

More to follow. Ceoil ( talk) 22:03, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Except as noted, I've either done as you suggested or played with it some.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 00:27, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • began to plan - planned. You don't plan a plan
  • A number of new coin designs had been introduced in the 1890s - a number of designs were...
  • had been introduced to them in 1895 drop 'to them'
  • Nevertheless...would cause. Don't think 'Nevertheless' is right; 'would cause' should be past tense
  • final Victorian issues, 95 percent copper - Maybe a semicolon after 'issues' Ceoil ( talk) 00:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I put in a colon. Up to date.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 08:05, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I've look at a few of the authors used as sources, including Dr. Michael Freeman, H W A Linecar, and Peter Seaby. All first rank. Its a Support from me. As a side note, I wasn't around for pre-decimal coinage but do remember my mother complaining about the confusing new coins in the 70s. More confusing than 1⁄240 of a pound sterling? Ceoil ( talk) 15:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Much obliged, thank you. I guess if it's what you've used all your life ... there are some films out there showing Granny learning to use the new system ...-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

True Detective (season 1)

Nominator(s): DAP 💅 & Mike Christie 17:35, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about the first season of HBO's True Detective, the anthology crime drama created by Nic Pizzolatto and starring Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson, Michelle Monaghan, Tory Kittles, and Michael Potts. Its story follows McConaughey (as detective Rustin Cohle) and Harrelson (as Martin Hart) and their seventeen year pursuit of a serial killer, during which they must recount the histories of several unsolved cases related to said perpetrator. Since the failed nominations in the past year and after a lengthy hiatus, I've worked with Mike Christie on addressing the issues in previous FACs. He will thus be a conominator as he has made substantial improvements in the reception section, which was the main concern going forward. I believe this piece satisfies the FA criteria and hope for it to be a template for other media articles. DAP 💅 17:35, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Pinging reviewers from the last three or four FACs: Aoba47, Brandt Luke Zorn, Tintor2, Jfhutson; would you mind taking another look? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47
  • Please link the show name (True Detective) on its first appearance in the body of the article.
Done . DAP 💅 13:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • For the sentence (The Sydney Morning Herald included the opening sequence in a list of ten of the best title sequences on television), wouldn't it be more correct to put the writer's name rather than attributing the publication as a whole as putting the opening sequence on this list? The same comment applies to the reviews in the "Reviews" subsection as they primarily attribute the reviews to the publication without naming the writer/reviewer directly.
I don't believe so. This was a subject of concern working with Mike and we believe declarative statements are more organized and heighten the reader experience rather than a summary of reviewer comments. DAP 💅 13:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

These are the only two questions/comments I had about the article. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Great work with this article; it is a very interesting read. Good luck with getting it promoted this time around. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Thank you for addressing my comments. I support this nomination. I am still a little confused about the treatment of the reviews as I have received notes in the past that the quotes/content should be attributed to the writer/reviewer rather than the publication as a whole, but if you both feel that is best, then I will not push the issue. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on my current FAC? I understand if you do not have the time or energy to look at it though; hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Good luck with getting this promoted. Aoba47 ( talk) 14:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    I'd be happy to give feedback for your nom. I'll glimpse through the article and comment sometime next week. Cheers! DAP 💅 20:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    Aoba47, thanks for the review and support. Re the attribution of the content: I think the point of an inline attribution is to let the reader know the source, but if the source is a reviewer they'll never have heard of, the reader is none the wiser. Naming the publication gives the reader a better chance of evaluating the authority of the reviewer -- the New York Times is likely to carry more weight than Uproxx, for example. In some cases it might be worth giving the reviewer's name as well as the publication, for example if the reviewer is very well known -- Pauline Kael would be an example -- but I think this is rarely worth it. Eliminating the name makes the text a lot easier to read. The reader can still see the name by going to the footnotes, after all. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 10:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
    Thank you for the explanation. Aoba47 ( talk) 15:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

It looks a lot better than the first time I saw. I can't find a single by having a big look so I support. Good work. Tintor2 ( talk) 13:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks for the feedback! DAP 💅 20:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Lazarus (comics)

Nominator(s): Argento Surfer ( talk) 12:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about the comic book series Lazarus created by Greg Rucka and Michael Lark. The series is still ongoing and will probably continue for another 7-9 years. The article is up-to-date with recent plot developments and series announcements. I believe it is as thorough and complete as it can be.

The article has been stable with few editors. The only edit dispute (if you can call it that) occurred in March 2017 with the introduction of a table by User:Hellboybookeeper. It was discussed here and here. Argento Surfer ( talk) 12:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Steller's sea cow

Nominator(s):    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  22:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I nominated this article a couple months back. It failed, but Jens Lallensack has been working on it (but I don't think he's co-nominating it) and now I'm sure that it's ready for FAC. It was really close last time, there just wasn't really enough time, so I'm hoping that I can resolve all the problems left. Also, this article's about a species of dugong that went extinct in recent times. Thanks,    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  22:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Support - the article has obviously been improved since last time I gave my review and support (feels more comprehensive now), so here it is again. FunkMonk ( talk) 08:22, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments by Sabine's Sunbird

Okay then:

  • In the lead, maybe mention that the range was or may have been wider in pre-history
done    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • In the lead, information about its size is split over two paragraphs. Consolidate perhaps?
I just removed it in the second paragraph because it was basically repeating info    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • the slow-moving and easily capturable Steller's sea cow maybe easily caught is plainer English?
done    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The sea cow's spine is believed to have had 7 neck, 17 thoracic, 3 lumbar, and 34 caudal (tail) vertebrae. I'm curious why this is only believed.
the source said "axial skeleton probably consisted of"    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • consuming the tougher stem and holdfast after they washed up on the shore in heaps. I'm curious about this, did they nearly beach themselves to reach it?
Oops, fixed    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Steller researched the wildlife of Bering Island while he was shipwrecked there; it would be good to know how long he was marooned there.
added    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • There are two taxonomic trees labeled Relations within Sirenia that show different things. Maybe the second one which excludes the manatees should be relabeled.
to what?    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
The cladogram only shows relationships within Dugongidae, so probably that. Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • an extinct tropical sea cow that lived near California What does near California mean here? Off California? Oregon? Mexico?
fixed    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I unlinked duplicated ice ages link, perhaps since there are multiple ice ages and you are referring the most recent one based on the piped link you could a) use the more technical name too or b) put a date range in there? Also ice age probably shouldn't be capped (technically neither should Dugong but it'll be a cold day in hell when I require that to pass)
fixed the dugong thing    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
These are minor issues so support should be simple enough once they're addressed. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Okay, support now. I replied above to the issue of the cladograms, its a simple fix. Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi, I made these changes (rather than listing them here) as they're all pretty straightforward. tentative support as nothing is jumping out at me to fix.... Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 08:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • Why repeat the lead image?
it's relevant in both places    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Pallas_Sea_Cow.jpg needs a US PD tag
done    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • What was the source of the data used to create File:Commander_Islands_Map_-_Russian.png?
I asked at the Commons and they said that contours of land masses (like the one pictured) are not protected by copyright so it doesn't need a source line    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  15:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not asking about the source for copyright reasons, but for verifiability - think about this request as a {{ citation needed}} tag on the image. Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
added citation needed tag    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  00:47, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Steller_measuring_a_sea_cow.jpg: if this is dated 1925, it can't have been published before 1923 - tag needs reviewing
Added US non-renewal instead. FunkMonk ( talk) 17:14, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Extanstellersseacowea.jpg needs a US PD tag
done    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Ледяной_плен_с._097.png: where was this first published and what is the author's date of death?
Russian Academy of Sciences, 1879    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Waxell_-_Stellersche_Seekuh.jpg needs a US PD tag and the source link is dead
added PD tag but I can't find another link, should I just remove it and leave the ref for it?    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Have you checked archive.org? Nikkimaria ( talk) 10:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
yes, I'll try asking the Village Pump at the Commons    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  18:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
They found it, fixed    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  22:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:Hydrodamalis_gigas.jpeg needs a US PD tag
added    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • File:T2JB367_-_illustration.jpg needs a US PD tag and an author date of death. Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
where do I put the author's date of death?    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  03:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
With the author. Nikkimaria ( talk) 10:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
done    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  18:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
If this was published in 1895, why use a 1923–1963 tag? Nikkimaria ( talk) 00:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Oops, fixed    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  00:47, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@ Nikkimaria: anything else?    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  19:47, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments by William Harris

In the section titled "Ecology and behavior", there are some dead hyperlinks (red) that would benefit from being unlinked. Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 12:19, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

done    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  18:21, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks D. (I report that nothing exciting has been turned up through DNA analysis of the remains of this extinct mammal, including one conducted this year.) Regards, William Harris • (talk) • 22:19, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Source review from Ealdgyth

  • Current ref 1 has a major red flag "Überarb, Germany: Books on Demand". What makes this reliable?
The book seems pretty well-sourced to me, I don't see what the publisher's got to do with it. It cites only journals as far as I can see so I'd call it reliable    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  18:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Well, "books on demand" is usually a self-publishing service. We consider self-published sources to be problematical, and often unreliable. See Other world cat entry showing one library in the whole world holding it. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm basically citing an encyclopedia rather than combing through all the German article sources he lists or American university publications. Basically, instead of trying to create 50 different sources of which most are inaccessible, I just bulk-cited one that's accessible and easy-to-read. I could try finding individual sources in the bibliography if you want    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  19:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Unless the guy writing it is an expert in the field (and given the lack of libraries holding the book even if he was, it's pretty clear that this work isn't one that scholars are using) I'm going to have to say it's unreliable. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:31, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Alright, I'll replace it (but later, this might take a little bit)    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  19:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Current ref 28 (Britannica.com) is this really needed? There are three other sources on the information it's attached to.
removed    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  18:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Portrayals in media section - why were these specific protrayals chosen out of other mentions? Per MOS:POPCULT, we need to be careful with these sorts of sections. I've always found a good rule of thumb is to only list those pop culture mentions where a third-party source discusses the impact that the portrayals have on our understanding of the article subject.
because that's all there is as far as I can tell (or at least the only ones that don't just take a small glance at them)    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  18:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
But what do they tell us about the subject of the article? What commentary in third-party sources discuss how these poems/etc help our understanding of the article subject? Near as I can see, they are just trivial mentions without any coverage in sources to show how the sea cow information is informative. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I think a short film about them that got nominated for awards is definitely notable, as well as being discussed by W. G. Sebald    User:Dunkleosteus77 | push to talk  19:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

On the Mindless Menace of Violence

Nominator(s): Indy beetle ( talk) 02:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about "On the Mindless Menace of Violence", a speech delivered by United States Senator Robert F. Kennedy on April 5, 1968, the day after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.. The speech has been greatly overshadowed by the famous remarks Kennedy delivered the night before in Indianapolis. Regardless, it was still considered by two of Kennedy's speechwriters, Jeff Greenfield and Frank Mankiewicz, and two prominent journalists, David Halberstam and Jack Newfield, to be one of the senator's best (it's my personal favorite, quite frankly). I've pulled together various sources to complete this article, including several journal and magazine pieces, as well as one book strictly devoted to analysis of the speech. At this point there are few improvements I see I could make without the suggestion of other editors. Other than that, I think it is ready for FA status. - Indy beetle ( talk) 02:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Image review

  • File:Rkennedy05.jpg: where was this first published? Nikkimaria ( talk) 16:36, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
The original uploader didn't give me many details but forwarded me to the original photographer, who I have now contacted to confirm the copyright status of the photo. - Indy beetle ( talk) 21:54, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria: I have received a reply from the creator of the photo, Evan Freed. I had emailed him "According to the license, "This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1923 and 1977 and without a copyright notice." Can you confirm that this is true[...]?" He responded, "I can confirm all on that." I also asked if he knew when/where/how it was originally published, which he didn't respond to, but said, "Give me a call." How should I proceed? - Indy beetle ( talk) 01:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
If you feel comfortable doing so you could call him, but his statement should be sufficient for our purposes. Nikkimaria ( talk) 01:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Midnightblueowl

  • "and presidential candidate" - is this perhaps the right description, given that he had yet to receive the actual Democratic nomination? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • ""On the Mindless Menace of Violence" was a speech given by United States Senator and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy at the Sheraton-Cleveland Hotel before the City Club of Cleveland on April 5, 1968, the day after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.. " This is quite a long opening sentence. How about cutting it into two, shorter chunks. ""On the Mindless Menace of Violence" was a speech given by United States Senator and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy. He delivered it in front of the City Club of Cleveland at the Sheraton-Cleveland Hotel on April 5, 1968, the day after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.."? Or something like that? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "On April 4 civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated" - King's full name has already been mentioned, and the prose does appear to assume a fair bit of information on the behalf of the reader. Perhaps "On April 4, King—a prominent African-American civil rights leader—was assassinated" or something of that nature? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Kennedy dismissed politics" - I'm not sure that this is the best way to describe what Kennedy was saying. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "conditions in America" - I would definitely use "United States" over "America" here, given that the latter is also used in parts of Latin America to refer to the two American continents. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • In the opening paragraph of "Background", the full name of "Martin Luther King Jr" appears three times. Only the first time is necessary; the others would probably work better as just "King". Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • " aide James Tolan and took place in his room.[" - Does this mean Tolan's room or Kennedy's room? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "turned heated as leaders began accusing " - perhaps this would read more smoothly as "became heated as leaders accused"? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "replied. "Well," - why the full stop? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "a call Kennedy from on " - "a call from Kennedy on" Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Americans, especially regardless of race" - especially regardless? Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "described how America", "violence in America would persist" - again, I'd change this to "United States". Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Kennedy listed no specific programs and gave no specific solutions to the problems at hand,[19] as such would not bring an end to violence.[35]" - what does the latter part of this sentence mean? I think that it could be reworded for clarity. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "In 1999 in Colorado" - "in... in". Let's reword this.
  • Perhaps an image of Martin Luther King Jr would be a good addition to the article. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 22:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Response to @ Midnightblueowl:

  1. I don't feel like that statement is inaccurate, and I'm not sure how it could be rephrased. He was campaigning for the presidency, even if it was without the endorsement of the Democratic Party.
  2. Done.
  3. Done.
  4. Agreed. Revised as "Speaking for only ten minutes before 2,200 people, Kennedy outlined his view on violence in American society. He criticized both the rioters..."
  5. Done.
  6. Done.
  7. Revised to now say the meeting "took place in Tolan's room."
  8. Done.
  9. Corrected.
  10. Done.
  11. Removed "especially".
  12. Done.
  13. Revised as "Kennedy listed no specific programs or proposals to address the problems at hand, as he believed there was no single solution that would bring an end to violence."
  14. Revised as "In 1999, Marian Wright Edelman delivered a speech in Colorado during which she quoted Kennedy's address."
  15. Done.

- Indy beetle ( talk) 06:44, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Indy. On the basis of the prose, I am happy to offer my Support for this article becoming an FA. Midnightblueowl ( talk) 11:23, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Fightstar

Nominator(s): editor Speak up! 22:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about a British punk/alternative rock/metal band which is fronted by the Busted singer Charlie Simpson. I developed an addiction to this band over the summer and fall, and shaped up all the already decent information into a readable, reliable article. Never before had I made such expansion to an article; I took it from about 30k to now approximately 55k. It has already been copyedited for the convenience of the reviewers here. This is my first FAC, though I have had one FLC pass ( Evanescence discography). I look forward to feedback! editor Speak up! 22:39, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Support since my comments have already been addressed in the previous FAC. Hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Good luck with this nomination. Hopefully, it gets more feedback/commentary this time around. Aoba47 ( talk) 01:32, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Coordinator note: This FAC is strictly speaking out of process as two weeks have not passed since the last nomination was archived. The FAC instructions make it clear that there should be a two-week wait unless permission is given by the coordinators. I'm prepared to let this one go, given the limited feedback on the last nomination, but I really don't want to make a habit of this and wouldn't do so again unless permission was sought. Sarastro1 ( talk) 20:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Famous Hobo

So I was looking through my talk page, and I just noticed that you asked me to review this article. My apologies for not responding, it must have just slipped by my radar. Anyway, I know how awful it can be when you;re waiting for FAC reviews, so I'll pitch in to help. Here's just a few short ones to get you started.

  • Simpson, increasingly frustrated with Busted's music, could not explore his own creative desires because the music he wrote could not be played with Busted. This sentence is in need of a good copyedit. I had to reread this sentence three times before I understood what it was saying. I noticed this sentence wasn't in the article when the Guild of Copyeditors came through.
  • The EP was inspired by novelist David Fincher's film, Fight Club (1999). David Fincher directed Fight Club. Chuck Palahniuk wrote the novel the film was based off of. Besides, I think you can just say "the EP was inspired by the 1999 film Fight Club". BTW, any particular reason why they decided to take inspiration from that film? Fight Club is rather unique, in that it deals with heavy themes of consumerism and masculinity (see Interpretations of Fight Club), so it'd be interesting to see what Fightstar took out of that film. Also, trying not to make this one comment go on for too long, but you don't need link Fight Club (film), just Fight Club is fine.
Oops. That indeed is false. I meant to fix this up in the second FAC, but I may have done goofed when trying to do that. But why should I change the link? Shouldn't I do both? Surely the phenomenon of difference between book and movie is present; and I think the cited article said they took influence from the movie. Check it out now, tell me what you think. editor Speak up! 17:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The release was praised by critics, despite initial scepticism due to Simpson's former pop career with Busted. There's only one review sourced here. Try not to generalize critical praise with just one review. Looking at the EP article, there are a few other reviews you could include to support your statement. As a side note, always try to take an unbiased approach to generalizing reviews, as I noticed that the PunkNews review was negative. It appears to be the only negative review, but keep that in mind.

Alright, there's a few comments to get you started. Famous Hobo ( talk) 15:53, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Lewismaster

I'm sorry for the delay, but my commitments outside WP are becoming very pressing. I am not an expert about band biographies and I have never listened to this band in particular, so the article is quite informative. However, there are some problems regarding mainly sources and references. Nothing insurmountable, but a few sentences look menacingly like original research to me.

Structure

The article is missing a Background section, which, in this case, should focus on Simpson and Busted. Busted are often cited in the article, but no info is provided about them, except that they are a pop-punk band. At least you should write that they were very successful, won awards, had an audience composed of teen-agers. And Simpson hated that, because he had a different musical background, which should be described. In one interview he described his time in Busted as "a mistake" and in another as "torture". In the same interviews he is very specific about his musical tastes and about the influences that he wanted to express in Fightstar. The part about his frustration and why he left Busted should be put here, too. He is the star of the band and a few sentences about his background is necessary, IMO. If you have some background info about the other musicians before they formed the band this is the place to put them.

I've never seen a section named Background in a band FA. It usually comes in the beginning of the history section, something like "Early years", etc. I will put some of this information in there
Lead

The lead should summarise the content of the article, so no references should be placed here. You write that "they were viewed sceptically by critics", but this fact does not emerge from the article, where everybody is apparently enthusiastic of the new band.

Origins

Source no. 4 is a short review of a show in Liverpool, but it is used as reference for a lot of things that have nothing to do with it, such as the origin of the band, the occupation of its members, the first song they wrote... Find a real source, please.

"Simpson's time with Fightstar reportedly caused tension in Busted" - source no.5 doesn't report any tension, but maybe sadness for the end of Busted. Find a source for this sentence.

They Liked You Better When You Were Dead (2004–2005)

"After Simpson's decision to focus on Fightstar, the band entered Criterion Studios in London with producer Mark Williams to begin work on their first EP, They Liked You Better When You Were Dead." - No reference.

"With nine tracks on its extended mini-album version, it was written in six months while Westaway and Simpson lived together." - I think that this sentence should be rewritten like maybe: "It was released as a mini-album, containing nine tracks written during the six months of Simpson and Westaway's cohabitation".

""Mono", named after the Japanese band, was recorded during a thunderstorm; shortly before the track's finale, Simpson may be heard screaming in the rain after he ran outside (unaware that the studio mics were picking up his voice)." - This is the biography of Fightstar and should focus on the main aspects of their work. Is the song "Mono" so important to go in such detail? I would cut this part.

"They Liked You Better When You Were Dead, released on 28 February 2005 after a brief UK promotional tour" - no reference for the tour.

"It was mostly a critical success,[1][11][12] even though Punknews.org reviewed it negatively." - Cut "mostly". There is one puzzling fact in your article: apparently [1]

Lol, I never found the link you just provided, that'd have been useful. I knew Kerrang loved them, but I thought most of them were magazine issues. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

"the EP was inspired by novelist Chuck Palahniuk's film, Fight Club." - Source no. 4 doesn't say that.

"The band's debut single, "Palahniuk's Laughter", received heavy rotation on music-video channels and spent many weeks on charts based on video and radio requests." - I don't think that source no.15 is valid. It is a "User-contributed text", probably copied from Last.fm, a website made up with user content.

"The EP's UK version contained five tracks (including a sixth hidden track), and was ineligible for the UK Singles Chart." - Why? There is no explanation or reference for this.

I wasn't able to find this. I found chart rules for singles and albums, but not for EPs... editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

"It was released the following year in North America as an extended mini-album by Deep Elm Records." - No reference.

"The release was praised by critics, despite initial scepticism due to Simpson's former pop career with Busted." - Critics' praise? Source no. 17 is the review of a Sputnikmusic staffer. You should provide more than one favourable reviews to write something like that. And again, who is sceptical here? There is no source expressing anything but good vibes.

Grand unification

"They requested Colin Richardson; initially sceptical about their chances, Richardson agreed to collaborate after he listened to their demos." - No reference for this sentence. Scepticism is an unreferenced lietmotiv.

" Grand Unification is a loose concept album, influenced by and based on the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime series. With lyrics loosely based on the personal experiences of Charlie Simpson and Alex Westaway, its underlying concept revolves around two people who experience the last few days of their lives before the end of the world." - This period is very confusing and I think that it should be rewritten and/or expanded. What is a loose concept album? Which parts of the anime are touched in the songs? The personal experiences of the musicians are about the anime or something else? The two people mentioned are from the anime or are they the musicians? Or someone else entirely? The period gives me more questions than answers.

A loose concept album doesn't follow an exact story line, it just has stuff with the same theme. A true concept album would have an established story. As for the anime, the media seems to have no interest going into depth with it. I saw some unreliable forums but that's all I found when initially editing the article. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually a concept album doesn't need a story line, just an idea that connects all the songs. Rock operas are concept albums with characters and stories. Thick as a Brick, known as the ultimate concept album, doesn't have any of those. I would cut the "loose". Lewismaster ( talk) 07:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

"Grand Unification was released in the UK on 13 March 2006 by Island Records, preceded by the single releases of "Paint Your Target", "Grand Unification Pt. I" and "Waste a Moment"." - No reference

"The band played at the Download Festival at Donington Park, and followed Biffy Clyro and Funeral for a Friend at the Full Ponty festival in Wales." - There is no reference for Download festival.

"Fightstar toured several countries, including Australia, Japan and the UK, with Funeral for a Friend for three months in 2006." - Source no. 23 is for the UK tour, but there is no reference for the international tours.

One Day Son, This Will All Be Yours

"Fightstar signed with the independent label Institute Records (a division of Gut Records) for their second album." - Source no. 26 redirects to a generic index page. Is this a dead link?

Not one that was picked up when I last checked the dead links. I ran IAbot on here, so I'll have to double check some of them. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

"The song, inspired by a harrowing documentary about Chinese execution vans[29] and the end of Simpson's romantic relationship, produced a low-fi music video which cost £500 to make." - This sentence should be rewritten. Something like: "The song was inspired by a harrowing documentary about Chinese execution vans and the end of Simpson's romantic relationship, contents present in the £500-low-fi music video the band produced".

"The band went on a 10-date UK tour in May 2008, supported by the London four-piece Brigade and the yet-unsigned Essex band We Are The Ocean." - No reference

I can find some evidence that We Are the Ocean was with them, but nothing technically considered reliable; seems the media ignored them at the time and only mentioned the first two bands. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Alternate Endings and Be Human

"the band decided to release their next album, Be Human, in a joint venture with their management company (Raw Power) on the Search and Destroy label. The album was distributed by PIAS Records." - Source no.39 is a dead link.

"Fightstar released their first single from Be Human, "The English Way", on 3 November 2008 and it topped the UK rock chart. Its video was played on Kerrang! and Scuzz T.V., and topped the MTV2 top 10." - No reference

I remember reading this and thought I had fixed it. I wonder if I forgot to save it and closed it by accident. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

"The album was co-produced by the band and Carl Bown at Treehouse Studios, Bown's Chesterfield studio." - No reference

"The band supported Feeder for the first part of their UK tour, which began on 21 October 2008." - No reference

"Drummer Jason Bowld of the British metal band Pitchshifter filled in for Omar Abidi on their UK tour while Abidi recovered from a broken wrist; Abidi returned to touring with the band in early 2009." - Source no. 41 is a music video of a live performance. There is no indication of anything written in this sentence.

It's all I could find; I had evidence they were still touring and that Abidi broke his wrist but nothing else. I will add said info about the injury. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

"Due to the drummer's injury, Simpson played drums on six tracks of the new album while Abidi wrote the drum parts and oversaw Simpson's playing." - In the source provided there is no trace of what you wrote.

"the band was featured on the BBC2 music show, Sound. "Mercury Summer" was added to the daytime playlist at XFM Radio and picked as Ian Camfield's Record of the Week. Emma Scott and Kerrang Radio also made "Mercury Summer" her Record of the Week." - No references

Hiatus and side projects

"In 2010, Fightstar announced that they were going on hiatus to focus on separate projects." - No reference

"and completed production of a project with Philip Koch of Lucas Film." - No reference

Reference 54 was what I intended to source that claim with. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Probably you meant reference 58. So the project with Bastiaan Koch and the movie The 3rd Letter are one and the same. There's no need for a repetition so it should be rewritten properly. Lewismaster ( talk) 07:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

"Simpson's solo work differed from his previous efforts, featuring a sound described as closer to folk music than to rock or pop." - Actually the review provided doesn't say this and classify the album as indie rock. You should find another reference for this sentence.

I indeed wrote that poorly. It does have some notable recognition of its folk direction though. editor Speak up! 23:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The following sections look better referenced, but I will review them tomorrow anyway. Lewismaster ( talk) 21:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Musical style and influences

Reference no. 82 is an online shop site and completely unacceptable as source. Customer reviews are not valid.

I'm struggling to see what you mean, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of anywhere to buy anything on 411mania.com. It doesn't appear invalid to me. editor Speak up! 13:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
The reference [2]] switched to 83. Lewismaster ( talk) 17:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

"Lyrically, the band have tried to avoid writing in an "emo" fashion." - Can you elaborate this concept a little more? Were Fightstar associated with emos?

No, but I bet Busted were in the same fashion as 5SOS is with today's so-called emo teenagers, but thus far I've found nothing. The source itself suggests that was what they did on They Liked You Better... editor Speak up! 13:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not convinced. I found with a simple Goggle search these links to Fightstar and emo, where they are called "emo superstars" [3][4][5][6][7]. I think that in the UK they were associated with, and maybe thrived in, the emo fashion. Lewismaster ( talk) 17:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

"Behind the Devil's Back (2015) was noted for a heavier use of electronics than past, said by some to be reminiscent of Gunship" – in the past. Some who? Critics maybe.

Behind the Devil's Back reviews say the same thing. It would be better to summarize that content instead of citing each reviewer.

Rationale for "Sleep Well Tonight"

A proper rationale for the sound sample should be written, because fair use imply that those samples can be used only for commentary of the songs itself. This is not an article about that song, so an explanation in the rationale about the reason why it is used in the Fightstar article is mandatory. Lewismaster ( talk) 07:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I believe that fair use also applies to describing something in an article which can only be demonstrated by sound rather than text. I did this with Fall Out Boy's sample in its GA review. If they aren't the same, I will update "Sleep Well Tonight" accordingly. editor Speak up! 13:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but fair use of music samples is under scrutiny lately (see WP:Fair use#Fair use and music sampling, WP:Non-free content#Audio clips, WP:Manual of Style/Music samples) and every editor that worked on my articles was very strict on the correct use of rationales. Music samples outside the article about the song itself should be used only when text cannot describe something, and that something should be included in the rationale. Lewismaster ( talk) 17:09, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I made corrections for a few references, I hope you don't mind. Lewismaster ( talk) 07:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Revival (Selena Gomez album)

Nominator(s): LikeGaga ( talk) 18:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

This article is about... a 2016 album released by American singer Selena Gomez. The album called attention from music critics, who considered "Revival" as a evolution and growth in Gomez' music. The article is well-written, containing information about its musicality and reception using reliable sources. I think this makes for a very good FAC. Please provide the issues you've found so I can fix them, I would appreciate any comments. Thank! :) LikeGaga ( talk) 18:57 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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